Buzz: Bobby Ryan Could Still Be Dealt

At USA Today, Kevin Allen writes that it’s possible that the Ducks could trade Bobby Ryan, but only if they are overwhelmed with an offer.

He writes that the Flyers could look to add Ryan to counter the Rangers move for Rick Nash.

CLICK HERE for a section dedicated to Bobby Ryan.

The Buffalo News writes that the Sabres have been after Ryan “for months.”




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a57se
a57se

Oh great....Mo WIlkerson said he wants to be a Jet for life........what happened to the last few guys who said that?

Tyrone Garcia
Tyrone Garcia

Well I guess CJ wont play for 1 years 700,000 and a cup of tea.

Maybe we throw in some season tickets for the Mets he may take it.

Bent
Bent moderator

"Their usual philosophy: Draft. Develop. Extend."


This really isn't that difficult to what the Jets did under Tannenbaum.  Really.


Sanchez, Mangold, Brick, Rhodes, Po'uha, DeVito, Harris, Revis.  Draft, develop, extend.  (In fact, in 2011, I specifically recall Andrew Brandt praising the Jets for exactly that).  In fact, lo and behold, here's the tweet:


https://twitter.com/adbrandt/status/98559906138947585


Then you have Cromartie and Holmes who they didn't draft, but did get while on their rookie deal and then extended.


There's plenty of bad luck involved in the fact that many of these moves didn't work out, including injuries and players unexpectedly regressing.


Did they really spend that much in free agency?  Bart Scott, Alan Faneca, Calvin Pace and a couple of trades for Jenkins and Jones.  That's one Decker-sized move per year.


Idzik's masterful plan?  Build the same way Tannenbaum did (he was bashed for not spending in 2006 and 2007 too), just don't screw up the big money extensions and hope to be luckier with injuries.


It's pretty funny the stuff he gets credit for - like digging them out of "cap hell" when actually all the deals Tannenbaum made were structured with a view to being reworked exactly when they were, for example...not to mention the fact that they obviously weren't even close to so-called cap hell due to the fact that they're now way under the cap without committing any money into future years.

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

I hate to use something that Cimini wrote, but in this case he was fair. 

(For all those that think Idzik is A-cheap, B-over his head, or C- a moron )

"The football offseason is like an event, a circus act, and fans in general want to see something," a longtime personnel executive said this week. "With John, he takes the air out of the balloon. It's not exciting, but he does it his way. You have to respect that." 

Idzik's way is similar to those of the Green Bay PackersSan Francisco 49ers and Seattle Seahawks, three successful organizations that rely on the draft more than free agency. In Wisconsin, you're more likely to see a March thaw than a flurry of free-agent signings. The signing of Julius Peppers last month was a stunning departure from the norm, a rare walk on the wild side by GM Ted Thompson. 

Their usual philosophy: Draft. Develop. Extend. In other words, use your money to re-invest in your homegrown talent. 

"He's modeling those organizations," the former personnel executive said of Idzik. 

Idzik has to yet to make a long-term commitment to an ascending player, although you could make the case that the Jets haven't had anyone worthy of a contract extension. That will change when defensive end Muhammad Wilkerson gets a new deal, this year or next. For now, the objective is to find more Wilkersons." 

twin
twin

@a57se stop being negative.. the past is the past. we have a new F.O.

__fense
__fense

@sir_manolo  If him being in NYC and not visiting up means we're 100% not getting him, why would you be worried about the Giants getting him? He was in their city for personal reasons and not for team visits, too.

Bent
Bent moderator

@sir_manolo  


He just tweeted "Hey to everyone who is wondering where I'm going n y it's taking so long. I'm taking my time n weighing all my options before I make my decision."


"I'm going n y"  Really?  That can't have been an accident.


We're being trolled.  Just not sure if by Johnson because he's not coming here, or Idzik because he is.

GratefulJet
GratefulJet

@Bent  Tannenbaum started out as a pretty sharp GM but it seemed like he jumped the shark pretty bad.


What would your biggest criticisms of him be ?


For me the things that stand out are :

- Pushing for Sparano as OC 

- seemingly pairing him with Tebow

- trading too many picks and not hitting enough on the few we had, some big 2nd round misses and not many late round contributors

- maybe overpaying a little on contracts like Holmes, Harris, and Sanchez


It's hard to blame him too much for extending Sanchez at the time but the fact that Sanchez collapsed while the Tebow fiasco was playing out  is ultimately on him.


Do you think that's fair ?





Bent
Bent moderator

Okay, so they didn't "draft" DeVito.  I'm not editing a masterpiece like that though.

a57se
a57se

@1969JAN12th  

This assumes that Idzik has the talent eval skills of ted Thompson....oh how I wish that were so.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@1969JAN12th  I thought Cimin's article was very fair, albeit, a couple of digs, but make no mistake, Idzik lives and dies by this draft. His non Facy moves left him in this vulnerable position for the draft. Johnny Z, your chips have all been pushed to the middle of the table! 

Bent
Bent moderator

@GratefulJet  Yep, grateful jet, I think that's pretty much nailed it.


People who criticize his handling of the cap are off-base because they clearly had a salary structure that was flexible enough, as the current cap situation proves.  It was ALL personnel decisions that sunk Tannenbaum, whether that be overrating his current talent, bringing in guys who didn't contribute or just plain bad luck with injuries.

ukjetsfan
ukjetsfan

@GratefulJet  Just flicking through the comments today, and yours is the closest approximation to my sentiments about Tannenbaum.


The Tebow situation is the one that pains me the most - I still think that Sanchez could've continued to be successful (not amazing, but successful) if we'd invested better on the offensive skill positions and got an older veteran QB in to compete with him.


That way he could've lost the job when he struggled and still saved face enough to give him the chance to develop and come back from it.

a57se
a57se

@Bent  

Tell that to Brendan and his buddies........

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Bent  


You forgot that the Jets got Kris Jenkins,Calvin Pace, Bart Scott, Ladanian Tomlinson & Damien Woody in free agency along with Faneca.....and they traded for Braylon, Cromartie, & Tone


convenient for you to have a "selective memory" (sarcasm)

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@Bent  Jet fans needed a sacrifice and Tannenbaum was the lamb . Idzik is finishing a plan that Tannenbaum set in place. Lets hope it succeeds.

Bytor
Bytor

We'll see. I think it's a little early to tell but I'm liking the early returns with BHogg, DMill, Geno.

Bent
Bent moderator

@jake100 @1969JAN12th  


That's the worst analogy you could possibly make because he's pretty much done the exact opposite of that. 

a57se
a57se

@Bent

That is the same fault I think Idzik has, talent evaluation.......that is the MOST important trait for a GM.

maynardfan
maynardfan

@Bent I agree their approach is similar.  However, the 2009 draft of Sanchez and Greene ended up gutting the team of depth and linking them with talent that never lived up to the draft day "move ups".  My hope is that the difference between Idzik and Mr. T is that the talent evaluation team is now stronger.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

Oh I get it.....what I meant was all the crap being credited to Idzik as if it is something we've never seen before.......

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  


I'm not criticizing Idzik, there's nothing wrong with his approach, just like there wasn't anything wrong with Tannenbaum's approach.  It's whether or not you make the right calls on the right guys.  Gholston and the Sanchez, Holmes, Harris extensions sunk Tannenbaum just like all the moves you've been questioning so far from Idzik will sink him if they all flop like you fear.  Hopefully not though.

bradysucks
bradysucks

So a57se is making fun of me for arguing?

Really funny

The guy who argues with literally EVERYBODY.....

Bent
Bent moderator

@BDarc23  Entering the 2007 draft, the Jets had 18 picks in the first two years.  As it happens, they traded up twice in that second draft, using four of the picks up in the process, but if the right opportunity presents itself, who's to say they won't do something similar this year too?


I don't think Faneca was considered an overpay at all.  They did end up getting two years out of him and were $20m out of pocket, which seems bad, but I thought his contribution to making the Jets a dominant running attack (even in the year after his departure) was worth the money.  Bart Scott and Calvin Pace were considered overpays, but again Bart was worth every penny and Pace is still contributing for a lot less money, so they're still getting blood from that stone.


I really don't think it's as different as you think.  This is stage one, the consolidation, developing a nucleus going forward and getting all your ducks in a row financially.  That's how Tannenbaum approached his first two years.  Maybe Idzik starts trading up and making big deals (like the Seahawks did when they got to that point) or maybe he takes a more pragmatic approach, but the overall concept is a lot more similar than you'd think.


Entering his second draft, Tannenbaum had not overpaid for anyone and the only pick he had traded was for TJ which was actually an exchange of picks.


The one area where it does seem different is the shutting down of all the leaks, but then that's another area that Tannenbaum had covered in his first few years (although that's often attributed to Mangini).


You can't ignore THE number one cap expert in the media (Brandt) specifically praising the Jets a couple of years ago for "Draft Develop Retain" and now the media is trying to tell us that this is the new plan like it's something Tannenbaum could never have thought of.

a57se
a57se

@jaym  

There is nothing wrong with trading up to get a player you really want....you just need to get it right when you do.

jaym
jaym

Bent what about all the Tanny trade ups to draft players? Do you think Tanny would of waited for Geno to fall to him on the second day like Idzik did? I am pretty sure that Tanny would of traded up on the second day to get him.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@Bent you also didn't mention that they traded lots of draft picks, traded for Brett Favre and Tim Tebow, extended Sanchez early (which the ultra patient Idzik is unlikely to do) and i think the Faneca was universally considered an overpay in order to get him. Seems very different than the idzik approach where the team will have 19 picks in 2 years, waited until the last minute to release tebow and Sanchez, and won't overpay for anyone.

Bent
Bent moderator

@bradysucks  


Ummm, I actually mentioned all of those apart from Woody and Tomlinson.  Tomlinson didn't warrant a mention because he only got a couple of million a year.  Woody got a 5m a year deal, okay I missed that, but whatever, I stand by the "one Decker-sized move per year" comment.


In fact, Giacomini and Vick's deals were more per year than Woody and Tomlinson combined.


By the way, Jenkins (who I mentioned anyway) wasn't a free agent signing he was a trade.


EDIT - Ok I didn't mention Braylon either, but they got him on his rookie deal too and didn't extend him so he didn't fit.

a57se
a57se

@bradysucks  

This is hysterical....bradysucks, the guy who wouldn't know a fact if it hit him in the face is arguing with Bent who is the King of facts.....

Zartan
Zartan

Tannys problem was that he never had the human nature part figured out. Our talent always dropped off because guys that needed to get paid seen how other players were treated.

human nature is real. Its why I told tjb that if the hawks came out to play as a team, it would be a blow out.

Bent
Bent moderator

@bradysucks  Read my post and tell me what I said that's inaccurate.


Of course it may be exaggerating to say that he's following Tannenbaum's plan but everything I said was an accurate reflection of the situation.  You not wanting to accept that doesn't make it wrong.


Polar opposites?  No, there's probably more similarities between the two of them than there are with either of them and most of the other GMs from the last decade.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@bradysucks  So he's a pure football guy that doesn't know numbers.(rolls eyes)   sarcasm*

bradysucks
bradysucks

@johnnyl65 @bradysucks @Bent  


You must have broken into Joeyboy's liquor cabinet


Idzik is the polar opposite of Tanny

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@bradysucks @johnnyl65 @Bent  He goes about it in his own way but he's merely extending a plan that was already in place.

And the rolling eyes line you've been using is very valley girls.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@johnnyl65 @Bent  


Yeah dude....Idzik is copying Tannenbaum 


(rolls eyes)





Bent
Bent moderator

@jake100 @Bent  Bart Hubbuch is about as funny as a road accident.

a57se
a57se

@Bytor  

See, this is the difference....you look at the premium picks and say that makes Idzik good at player eval, all I say is that he isn't Al Davis or Matt Millen......meaning he doesn't screw up near sure things. It is the rest of the draft where you make your bones as a talent evaluator and last year he screwed up.

Both Campbell and especially Bohanon were prime UDFA's that we spent picks on.

Aboushi wasn't a good pick either........I don't think WInters has the upside you want in a 3rd round pick but we will see.