Read: All the NHL Wants Is To CRUSH The PA

At The Hockey News, Ken Campbell writes that the NHL seems so dead set on making this CBA as “iron-clad” as it can be so that if they are declared winners when this CBA negotiation ends they can stay the winners unlike the 2005 lockout.

He says “Almost everyone acknowledges that the league has already won. Now all that is to be determined is the margin of victory. That’s what everyone was saying seven years ago, too, but the NHL is intent on making those words prophetic this time. “





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williamg1
williamg1

@e_man: 12 balls, 11 deflated. When Bilicheat found out the ball boy missed one, he was fired at half time. #youhadonejob

williamg1
williamg1

"One source described the league as "disappointed ... angry ... distraught," after spending considerable time on the findings earlier Tuesday."

hazard2012
hazard2012

My first take, in broad strokes, on "If I were Macc n' Bowles":


Make one side of the ball truly dominant  while the others are pieced together.   Complete the D now --- this off-season --- while the O takes shape over the next couple years. That's especially true without a clear, slam-dunk answer to the QB question on the immediate horizon.


On D, add an edge rusher, and there are quite a few of them in this draft, especially if I get one of the best by making this my first pick.   I need an ILB....especially with Harris's situation unclear.   (Fowler and Kendricks might be really intriguing options because their versatility complements the versatility of our current DL.)   Finally, add a CB, Jackson, Maxwell or Culliver, etc. in FAcy.   


Such a D could become very special very quickly under Bowles, and could conceivably stay together for years because it's so young.   That should buy the time for the O to be assembled, but a D this good might wouldn't need a top five O to win it all.    


That, at least, is the general direction I'd probably head-in.    We can debate which specific players and moves that best fit the plan, and obviously debate the strategy itself, but I had to start somewhere.    This approach made the most sense to me. 


How about you?             

williamg1
williamg1

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Dante Kaalund
Dante Kaalund

@bent

What if geno does look good in gailys system? Woe to the bills or a favor from the bills?

Jeff E. Guy
Jeff E. Guy

Does this mean we're gonna sign Kordell Stewart?



DRFC
DRFC

So assuming we get a night game for the Bills at Jets, who will be OC in the second half when Gailey is in bed?

jetsjerk
jetsjerk

I see the Jets signing Matt Moore and we'll see Geno compete in TC.  They will take a QB 3rd round as a Gailey Project.  If Mariota slides to us at 6, we'll trade the pick to Eagles and take an OL, WR and CB 1,2,3.  Keep the faith J-E-T-S!

D
D

Trade the 6th pick for Nick foles, the 20th pick and a couple later round picks.


If Mariota slides

williamg1
williamg1

Lets hope Geno doesn't give him an ulcer. 

johnledo
johnledo

Jets sign Fitzpatrick I bet...GM and Gailey both familiar with him.

Kory Cosenza
Kory Cosenza

@williamg1 i hate them so much but i'm sorta glad this super bowl is already tainted though and that regardless if the pats win there will always be cheating associated with all the pats rings.

Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

@Jeff E. Guy

  1. Out of football, what two years?
  2. Made the Top 10 offense twice out of 12 years.
  3. Was courted by the Jets like a rock star.
  4. Would still take MM who did the best with what he had.

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@Jeff E. Guy  lol, Kordell Stewart..lol aka the slash, remember that? If Gailey was able to get something out of him, I'm damn sure he can get something out of Geno.

funkymonk
funkymonk

Gailey Is Old jokes get me every time

hazard2012
hazard2012

@jetsjerk


You might be mostly right, at least about signing Moore or maybe trading a 7th rounder for Fitzpatrick to compete with Geno, and then add someone like Grayson or Carden in the draft.     Moving down, whether to the Eagles, at 20, or to Chicago, Houston or St.L --- all potentially needing QB's --- to collect picks might be the high-percentage move for a new regime to make.   

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@D  I would rather trade that pick to the Browns for both of their 1st and let them pick who ever they want, and yes they can keep Manziel

hazard2012
hazard2012

@D


The sixth pick and a chance for Chip to reunite with Mariota is worth more than that.   And Foles is worth more to us if kept out of the deal.    

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@johnledo  I'll pass on him, I rather have Doug Flutie at what ever age he is right now

DRFC
DRFC

@johnledo You can't sign players that are on other teams.

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@D  If they want to throw in Hoyer, than I won't complain

D
D

@hazard2012 @D i agree. we should ask for a kings ransom because of that.

What do you mean by him being worth more if left out (curious and interested on your take)

johnledo
johnledo

Will the Texans keep him? Not sure but if we had to trade...maybe a 5th...don't know to be honest

johnledo
johnledo

I'm not sure of his FA status..didn't think the Texans signed him for more than a year

hazard2012
hazard2012

@Pablo Bruno @hazard2012 @jetsjerk


I'm not dead set on Fitz, but I do think he's on the Jets/Gailey's radar now, and would bring a certain familiarity with Chan's E-P offense that could be beneficial.    I mentioned Moore, as well, but it could also be Hoyer or Locker or Shaun Hill.    But make no mistake, my gut continues to tell me that every attempt will be made to salvage Geno and put him in a system more conducive to his skills...and I think that's a large reason why Chan is the OC.   


That doesn't mean I'm a fan of Geno.  I'm not, and personally don't believe he's capable of becoming a much better QB...period....but if fully vetting Geno is the immediate agenda re QB then the above plan is likely to be the way the Jets go.   That probably entails passing on Winston and Mariota, but possibly using the lure of landing them as trade bait for others looking for a QB.     

hazard2012
hazard2012

@D @hazard2012


We were discussing this at length earlier on this thread...


...If you don't include Foles Philly would probably have to kick in another Day Two pick, a 2nd or 3rd rounder...and the thinking is that virtually ANY player we'd pick in that range would be a better player, of more value, for more years, than Foles would be.   Besides, Foles is not better/worse than half a dozen other QB's we could pick up in FAcy.   


Hence, we'd be better off NOT including him in the deal.   The pick(s) we otherwise get are more valuable.  

juunit
juunit

@johnledo 

I don't want to trade a draft pick for a backup QB. 

jets3980
jets3980

You would pass on Mariota and Winston when qb is our biggest need? Are you kidding? If either one falls to 6 you scoop them up and move on.do you see what teams are in the playoffs every year?

D
D

@hazard2012 @D i see your point......BUT foles is a proven NFL player....that has had some success as a starting qb.  Upgrade over Geno and you dont take the risk of a draft pick. You would think the Eagles woudl have made the playoffs if he wasnt hurt.

However, im not and idiot. Kellys system probably helped him more that his actually abilities. 


I think I would like more picks as well


johnledo
johnledo

Doubt Fitz would be a backup. He would win the job if he's competing against smith

johnledo
johnledo

That's pretty low for a qb so maybe a no go unless we trare for him

tsjc68
tsjc68

@D @hazard2012

BUT foles... has had some success as a starting qb.

Yes.

... and is a proven NFL player.

No, he's not, which is why the Eagles are reportedly in the market for Mariota in the first place.

DRFC
DRFC

@johnledo If we are only using a 5th round pick to get competition for Geno, kill me.

juunit
juunit

@johnledo 

At most, he'd start as a stopgap. That's not worth a pick. Just sign Hoyer instead. 

D
D

@tsjc68 @D @hazard2012 not all true......Jamarcus russell was a number one pick because someone fell in love with him.


same goes for mariota

johnledo
johnledo

The chance of a 5th Rd pick actually making it and being a solid contributer is low. If Fitz can give us anything close to his 2012 numbers, we are a playoff team..you wouldn't trade a 5th Rd pick at a chance for the playoffs?

DRFC
DRFC

@juunit @johnledo But if Fitz is released I'd be fine if he was one of three QBs with Geno and a rookie

tsjc68
tsjc68

@D @tsjc68 @hazard2012

If the Raiders had had an actual proven NFL QB in April 2007, they wouldn't have taken Jamarcus Russell, they would have taken Calvin Johnson for that proven NFL QB to throw to.


You don't take a QB in the first round if you already have a proven QB, unless that proven QB is about to retire (like Favre and Rodgers).

juunit
juunit

@johnledo 

First of all, we have no idea how the team is going to be next year. Going from a 4 win season to the playoffs just because of Ryan Fitzpatrick? That seems like a massive stretch. 

Second, why is Fitzpatrick so special? Because he worked with Gailey in the past? If Gailey is such an offensive genius, then he can get some other mediocre veteran to play at that level. 

Third, the chance of a 5th round pick contributing is low if you make crappy picks. There are 5th round picks who play and play well every single year. Plus, even if all you get with that 5th is a decent backup, that backup is under contract for 4 years, while Fitzpatrick would be here for one, maybe two years. 

DRFC
DRFC

@johnledo As juunit said, I'd rather sign an equally competent QB and draft someone at 5.

juunit
juunit

@DRFC @juunit @johnledo 

Yeah, I'd be cool with bringing in a veteran who is better than Eugene if it only costs a contract. 

D
D

@tsjc68 @D @hazard2012 and we dont have a proven qb.


All im am saying is foles has had some success which includes winning some games

johnledo
johnledo

I guess you missed the part where I said if Fitz can give us anything close to his 2012 numbers then yes I believe we become a playoff team. Obviously there needs to be upgrades elsewhere but his 2012 season was very decent

tsjc68
tsjc68

@juunit @johnledo

Exactly.


I like Fitz the best amongst all the potential options.  But only if he gets cut and becomes a FA (or can be traded for for only a 7th rounder).


None of the QBs who are under contract and on the market are worth a 5th round pick in trade.  None of them.


None of them.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@DRFC @johnledo

That.


Hoyer or Locker and a 5th >>>>>>> Fitz and no 5th


Some FA QB and all our picks >>>>>>>> Fitz or Bradford or Foles or some other under-contract QB and fewer of our picks.

johnledo
johnledo

Fitz has had a better career than Hoyer..im down for drafting a qb but why not bring in a qb who a) knows the ssytem and b) was fairly successful under that system...look Fitz is not a sexy choice and most likely he's just a stop gap for a season or two but we have talent that we can win now

DRFC
DRFC

@johnledo Brian Hoyer's 3,326 yards was close to Fitz's 2012 3,400 yards. In three less games.

juunit
juunit

@johnledo 

Bills didn't make the playoffs in 2012 did they?

Fitzpatrick actually played even better this year than he did in 2012. And the Texans didn't make the playoffs either.

DRFC
DRFC

@tsjc68 @DRFC @johnledo Yeah, nothing really separates these guys from one another in my mind. That Gailey got so much out of Fitz doesn't make me want Fitz, it makes me want to see what he can do with Hoyer or Locker, quite frankly.

wolfy124
wolfy124

@tsjc68 @D @hazard2012 Comparing Sanchez to Foles is like comparing apples to oranges...Foles has had success in the NFL and Chip wants to trade him because he doesn't fit his system.  Imagine if he was put in a system to benefit him

johnledo
johnledo

Hoyer crumbled down the stretch and was a big reason why the Browns missed the playoffs and Locker can't last longer than 5 minutes in a game. Bradford is intriguing but wI'll he be available, if he is, that's my number one choice

tsjc68
tsjc68

@johnledo

All these guys have serious warts.


Hoyer, Locker, Bradford, Fitzpatrick, Hill, Moore, Foles, Sanchez, Cousins, RG3, Cutler, Campbell, McCoy, Schaub, just another year of Geno...


... none of them are appealing.  All of them will probably suck and piss us off.  None of them are legit solutions.  Even the nominally good ones statistically have gigantic red flags and are available because their previous teams don't want them because they recognize that they're not good quarterbacks.


Pick one of them that you don't have to use a draft pick to get and move forward.

Pete 57
Pete 57

I'd trade a 5th for Glennon. 29 TDs, 15 picks, 83.7 rating so far. Bet Chan can get some use out of him.

johnledo
johnledo

Haha..you have them opposite but I hear what you're saying..look it sucks..there really is no sure qb we can get that will make a major difference. It's been a long time since we had that qb.

Pete 57
Pete 57

I know 68, you don't like him. That's fair. I kinda like him. Of all the options he's the one we have the least info on. If we are just throwing names out there, then I hope they swing a trade for Aaron Murray.

juunit
juunit

@Pete 57 

The Mike Glennon lead Bucs.

Worse than the Jets in both years. 

Pete 57
Pete 57

That doesn't mean Glennon is not better than Geno. Many factors.

Pete 57
Pete 57

Come up with something concrete why Glennon is not at least a slight upgrade to Geno. Oh, and what would you like the Jets to do at QB? I want a vet and draft the best QB we can.

juunit
juunit

@Pete 57 

Better than Eugene doesn't mean he's worth giving up anything of value for him.

I want a vet and a draft pick too. But Glennon doesn't qualify as a vet. When I say vet, I mean a journeyman who has been around for a while but never really had the chance to be an NFL starter because he wasn't born with the necessary physical traits, meaning he had to learn the ins and outs of playing the position to stick around as a backup. So, no Michael Vick either.