Read: The Rangers Playoff Power Meter

At ESPN Insider, Craig Custance and Alvin Chang combined to devise a ranking system, using some advanced stats, to determine the standings for the Eastern and Western Conference this season.

They have the Rangers finishing third in the conference and winning the Atlantic Division.

Using their playoff power meter, the Rangers scored a 28 out of 36. The Capitals, projected to win the Presidents trophy, have a 36 out of 36.

Some of this stuff is a little confusing, but it looks like some advanced stats are on the Rangers side, at least projection wise. I still think that the Pens will win the Division, but it will be a close race, six points or so, between the Rangers, Flyers and Pens.

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189 comments
rgm891
rgm891

I can't believe Melo chandler and amare are are actually struggling to get us into the playoffs. We are not even competing. All they do is complain and try to pad their stats. Jogging back on defense, no one learning from their mistakes, and showing no signs of concern while sitting on the bench. Melo has a lot to learn if he wants to take the next level. I am not sure if his ego will allow it.

jax13
jax13

Yea reading some of the comments, some of you have to let Lin go man.

jax13
jax13

Simple question, since the defense is epically bad, why not play zone? If you are gonna lose, lose by the three.

I understand that against good three point shooting teams like suns it is hard but against a lot of teams, it would just make it easier cause these guys seemed to have forgotten whatever basketball common sense they had......

ABCballer35
ABCballer35

With a defensive predicated on switching and double teaming, the Knicks perimeter defense permits wide open three point shooting by the opposition. Opposing teams are given an open invitation to shoot the 3 without any defensive pressure. No adjustments were made as Phoenix nail three pointer after three pointer. 


Isolation offensive sets mades defensive coverage for the Phoenix Suns effortless. No ball movement equates to Melo and Smith iso plays and unsuccessful three point shooting from the perimeter. Most offensive opportunities are either a one and done shot or a turnover.


It is discouraging to see a lack of effort on the defensive glass. Defensive rebounding was absent with Phoenix getting multiple offensive boards. Boxing out is a lost art with the Knicks defensive scheme. Talk of instituting the triangle offense may help, but the lack of defense is a huge source of what maligns the Knicks.



therealprof
therealprof

The Knicks suck and all, but continuing to talk about Jeremy Lin is probably the most childish thing I have ever read. He is not a member of the New York Knicks, and has not been for almost 2 years at this point. Get over it. The Knicks of today are terrible because they have no heart, pride or self-respect. No single player is going to fix that, the entire team, from coaching to roster, is broken. This is why Dolan hired Phil Jackson, to right the ship. Knicks fans should be looking toward the future. This season has been lost for months already and making the playoffs does nothing but give Orlando/Denver a worse pick, which should not matter because there is nothing that can be done about it, the pick is gone. Would I like the Knicks to make the playoffs, sure, but if they dont care enough to play with any intensity than it will just be a 4-game series of lopsided scores that will waste all of our time anyways. Is there a chance they can make a playoff run, I guess because that is the reason for Playoffs, but why are we getting our collective panties in a bunch over seeing the Knicks get slaughtered 4 more times at the end of the season? This is not the team from 1999, these guys have no heart at all. 

Ray Jorge
Ray Jorge

Any one have the #'s on how many times opposing PG's scored 30+ pts against our guards this season & if any of our guards did the same?

brookdon
brookdon

A week or two until we are finally put out of our misery.

Accidentally slept through this one, woke up at 4 am to see that we were blown out. Should have just kept sleeping.

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

Isn't it sad that I truly believe the Hawks organization is tanking and wants no part of getting swept in the first round since they clearly want a lottery pick, while the Knicks who you'd think desperately want to make the playoffs since no draft pick are so bad they can't and won't take the 8th seed from a team that clearly doesn't want it. I bet Hawks fans are annoyed when they see the Knicks lose. I'd be if I was one of them.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@jax13  

Both the Lin fanboys and those constantly trashing him...it's getting tiresome seeing his name injected in threads that have nothing to do with him.

Ray Jorge
Ray Jorge

@Knixtradamus I remember when we were trying to acquire JR there was rumors that Anthony was totally against it! He was telling confidont's that JR was a "TALENTED IDIOT" & is detrimental if your trying to build a winning culture!

brookdon
brookdon

I'd love to see the magical leader that takes this roster with this coach anywhere lol

Mel Brown
Mel Brown

@Jerry Gee Melo led the Knicks to 60 wins last year.....FACT

rgm891
rgm891

Nah I'm talking about Melo taking ridiculous jump shots. About 10 a game. I'm talking about Melo not getting in his players faces. I'm talking about Melo showing no sort of leadership on the court. I'm talking about Melo destroying players confidence on the court with his terrible leadership. Players firing at will because they believe it's the right thing to do. I'm talking about Melo not demanding more out of his coach. I'm talking about Melo not changing his game for the better of the team. I'm talking about Melo not caring about winning this season and trying to make the most money in the offseason by padding his stats. I'm taking about Melo complaining to the refs and players doing the same. Melo bails the def so many times.

Don't tell me he's not the vocal leader as kobe. Don't tell me he's is coach killer. Who cares if he truly wants to win he would realize that himself and make a statement. Melo stated he's a chess player. Lets see the discount he gives us. He's having a so called great year which has done nothing for our team.

jax13
jax13

Thanks for that rundown of suns offense, I am simply saying we are epically bad on defense, why not play more zone in general, not just against teams like the suns.

Seems like an easy solution to getting killed on switches n every one has a free pass to rim.

We have a dumb team this year. Last year the vets made us smarter.

Coach has not adjusted to anything. If Woodson would have attempted to make any adjustments we would be at the very least in playoff picture.

Simple solutions could go a long way for a very very very low bball iq team.

Ray Jorge
Ray Jorge

@Knixtradamus I like Lin,(bcuz i'm a fan of the movie RUDY) also tho Lin is far from perfect(no one is) we share the same faith(Christian) but qualifying whether someone is decent because he's never lived in a "Ghetto" is wrong!

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Kiyan Carter  

Sure, it's not necessarily about being in-your-face.

But I'd like to see the Knicks have a leader who sets the culture for the lockerroom and the tone for their on-court intensity and focus.  Players like Garnett, Kidd, Duncan...players like these are culture-changers.

rgm891
rgm891

No because they don't need to be and have won chips together. Why change when things are working in their favor. We are fighting for our lives in the east against the Hawks. There is a huge difference. He has won nothing Lmao are u seriously asking me this. They are a top team for years because they believe in the other around them. We win when Melo barely shoot and ball is constantly moving around the perimeter. Melo ego sets in ruins the offense calls with iso and shoots retarded shots.

He starts ruining everyone play with his selfishness. If I am more involved in the game I start gaining confidence in both ends of the floor. Melo destroys that with snap of a finger. Ego sets in. Some players don't even touch the ball for 3 straightt offensive possession mainly in fourth of a close game. Ruins their flow.

Melo was playing with the best players in the world lmao. He better sacrifice his game. This is not even up for discussion.

Going to the grocery store. I know I can wait on this one lmaooo. Melo and the Olympics

HypoCrit_calNYKfans
HypoCrit_calNYKfans

@rgm891  

Your reacting and responding "VERY EMOTIONAL" right now, and turning with all your anger on Carmelo when when the Knicks problems begin with Woodson's bad coaching and Felton's horrendous and Prigioni's average -below average point guard play! 

Did you not ask yourself why with 5 minutes left in the game did Woodson "FINALLY DECIDE TO PUT SHUMPERT ON DRAGIC?" Dragic had scored on Felton at will and Woodson made no adjustments! What did you want Carmelo to do, "go knock the cluelessness out of Woodson's head?"

NoD'Antoni played Xavier Henry at point guard, and Sacramento's coach played Rudy Gay at point guard during the game against the Knicks. What coach with a clue would continue to put Felton on point guards 'HE CAN'T DEFEND" when you have a defensive stud like Shumpert on your bench who "HAVED PLAYED THE POINT GUARD POSITION IN HIGH SCHOOL AND IN COLLEGE AND IN THE NBA?"

Next season do you not think Kerr will not play Shumpert at point guard  or have him defend the point most of the time Shumpert is on the floor?

Just as it is discouraging for us to see what other teams point guards do to the Knicks and the Knicks point guards, it must be also discouraging and demoralizing to the team on the court or watching it from on the bench! And it has to be even more demoralizing to see your coach not making "ANY ADJUSTMENTS NOR HAVING ANY ANSWERS!" 

Remember how the Knicks looked with Tony Douglas starting at the point two years ago, how bad the Knicks looked, and how that same team did a one eighty in play and morale when Lin became point guard? 

Kerr and a point guard backed up by Shumpert and Murry's defence will be the fresh air the Knicks need!

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Kiyan Carter  

Tim Duncan is not an in-your-face leader.  But he leads by example and shows a focused commitment to both ends of the floor at all times.  TD sets the tone.

The Olympics showed that Carmelo can play very well off others - Lebron, CP, Deron, etc.

rgm891
rgm891

So what you're stating is he's not a leader. Leaders know when to make their voices heard regardless of their personality. All this told me is he's not a leader. Dolan in a new york minute would have made changes if Melo told him too. He doesn't care. All he cares about is the offseason. You just proved to me all he is a robin. Thanks.

LMAOOO comparing the spurs to the melo/ knicks leaders. Are u crazy man. They sacrifice there game for better of the team and don't care they aren't the hero in the fourth quarter. They realize there is no I in team. Phil jackson hit the nail right on the head. They play so well together and are learning from their mistakes. They play team basketball which the knicks don't . I can't believe u compared our leaders to the spurs leaders. I thought Jeremy lin Michael Jordan comparison was bad.

I'll wait.

Iso iso iso

jax13
jax13

I agree. As a result, guards get by Felton, smith, Timmy, Pablo, and shump too. They get by and Tyson does not protect the rim. It all starts with guards.

Communication is not there.......it is not that hard to fix.

Same mistakes over and over again.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@jax13  

Ultimately, whatever scheme you use, the players need to communicate. There should be non-stop chatter on defensive possessions. 

For whatever reason, they just don't seem to do this. A player gets beat, no help comes, and then you see the multiple arms raised in frustration after another bucket. Perhaps Tyson directed traffic from the backline in the past, but he looks like he's checked out.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Mel Brown @BigChiefTriangle  

"You are not a teacher."  Ok, I'll believe my personal life would contradict this statement, but regardless, I believe anyone can be a teacher - you, me, a kid, a working adult, an NBA player.  There's always an opportunity to learn something from everyone.

I simply tried to help clear up a point of misunderstanding you had - fallaciously stating something as mathematically unsound.  Just as I don't "need" to explain anything to you, I guess you don't "need" to understand anything if you don't want to.

I'll leave you with this quote:

"Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand."

Mel Brown
Mel Brown

@BigChiefTriangle You don't need to explain anything to me.  You are not a teacher.  Your interpretation is what it is...

Mel Brown
Mel Brown

@BigChiefTriangle @Mel Brown oh they absolutely are guilty....lol.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Mel Brown @BigChiefTriangle  

"You can let someone that wrote an opinion based article coax you into believing them or debate with an historian."


As if historians aren't guilty of injecting opinion into their studies and articles...take it easy, chief.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Mel Brown @BigChiefTriangle  

Of course it's not the same - that's exactly the difference he's comparing!  The half number is NOT referencing the black NBA players, but the general black population.  

Mel Brown
Mel Brown

@BigChiefTriangle Yes, a math foundation always matters.  It's a universal language. 


Half is not "the same thing as saying 2/3"


We can debate all day on this issue on the demographics of NBA players.


You can let someone that wrote an opinion based article coax you into believing them or debate with an historian. 

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Mel Brown @BigChiefTriangle  

He doesn't explicitly mention the 1/3 and the 2/3.  That's just the proportions he is effectively referring to when he says 

"twice as many black N.B.A. players were born to married parents as unmarried parents."


This is the same as saying 2/3 of black NBA players were born to married parents, and 1/3 of black NBA players unmarried parents.  Any person MUST fall into one of two categories:

a) born to unmarried parents, or

b) born to married parents


I really don't know how else to explain this... I think you're just reading this wrong if you honestly see this as "mathematically unsound".  I have to bounce; good luck with your studies.

Mel Brown
Mel Brown

@BigChiefTriangle one doesn't need a foundation in statistics to understand what's being said about a particular group of people. Using inferencing skills and a sound education is all that is needed.

Mel Brown
Mel Brown

@BigChiefTriangle Don't need to.   My study of history will suffice.  Economics is a huge part of the study. 

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Mel Brown @BigChiefTriangle  

"I am very sensitive and aware of the fallacies as it pertains to how people use stats when it pertains to the brown American community."


Then I would strongly suggest you pursue a foundation in statistics/economics.  I'm not saying this patronizingly, but as an honest suggestion.  I have a technical background, and the courses and work I've done with statistics have really helped in critically analyzing reports in the media.

Mel Brown
Mel Brown

@BigChiefTriangle where does he mention 1/3 and 2/3. 

"From 1960 to 1990, nearly half of blacks were born to unmarried parents. I would estimate that during this period roughly twice as many black N.B.A. players were born to married parents as unmarried parents."


what is twice as many of half??

Mel Brown
Mel Brown

@BigChiefTriangle @Mel Brown Yes, they acknowledge times have changed.  But Kiyan's point of a majority of NBA players have come from dire circumstances. 


I am very sensitive and aware of the fallacies as it pertains to how people use stats when it pertains to the brown American community.


However, it is feasible to use data to highlight a point relevant to a particular discussion.


My point stands that a majority of NBA players have come from dire circumstances since the 1980's. 


I hear your point. 

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Mel Brown @BigChiefTriangle  

I don't think you get it.  Of all black NBA players:

1/3 of were born to unmarried parents.  

2/3 of were born to married parents.


So we can equivalently say that twice as many black NBA players were born to married parents as unmarried (since 1/3 times 2 is equal to 2/3).  He is comparing THAT proportion within the NBA (1/3) to the proportion of the general black population (1/2) displaying the same characteristic.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Mel Brown @BigChiefTriangle  

"roughly twice as many black N.B.A. players were born to married parents as unmarried"

This part?  He is saying that from 1960-1990, roughly 1/2 of blacks (across the US)  were born to unmarried parents.  Then he says that he estimated that 1/3 of black NBA players were born to unmarried parents during the same time period.

What's unsound?

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Mel Brown @BigChiefTriangle  

Sometimes you want to focus on the present situation.  Other times you want to focus on the past.  Other times you want to focus on the change from past to present.  You use those statistics relevant to the discussion.  The author's statistics don't neglect history - they in fact acknowledge that times have changed.

I have respect for anyone educating themselves.  I think building a solid foundation in statistics, economics, and logic would be helpful to anyone dabbling in history and/or sociology

Mel Brown
Mel Brown

@BigChiefTriangle I failed to mention the author does a lot of surmising, and estimating.  He also contradicts himself-


"From 1960 to 1990, nearly half of blacks were born to unmarried parents. I would estimate that during this period roughly twice as many black N.B.A. players were born to married parents as unmarried"


This is not mathematically sound.

Mel Brown
Mel Brown

@BigChiefTriangle

The problem is that people can use statistics to highlight an issue or point while leaving out the bigger picture. 


This presents a misguided notion about where a majority of brown NBA players come from.  I say again since the 1980's to the present a majority of NBA players come from underprivileged communities.


I study and studied the history of my people.  I'm an historian.  As a brown American I know the facts will always remain in analyzing history.  Not a twisted portion of data.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Mel Brown @BigChiefTriangle  

My main point was to disprove the nonsense that "damn near all players come from [ghettos]"  Since the present tense "come" was used, we are talking about the present situation.  In the past, that stereotype may have been more true, but it simply is not the case anymore.  Of course, if you want to wash out the present truth by mixing stats from decades ago, you can do that.


Now I do agree that previous article I linked to does not directly address that (it speaks more to the chances of making it to the NBA from low-income vs high-income families, not the backgrounds of those already in the NBA).  My fault there. But this is much more clear:


"For example, while 45 percent of black male children in the U.S. live in households earning no more than 150 percent of the poverty line ($22,050 for a family of four in 2010), just 34 percent of black athletes in the NBA grew up in that financial situation, according to Dubrow and Adams"


http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/6777581/importance-athlete-background-making-nba


Mel Brown
Mel Brown

@BigChiefTriangle Some of the article is factual, a lot of it is non-factual.  The context of the article only relates to current NBA players. 


It doesn't account for NBA players that come from the "ghetto" since the early 1980's until the present. 


If the compilation was taken into account the numbers would show that a majority of brown nba players came from underprivileged neighborhoods.


If you need further data/proof I suggest you indulge in a book called Powernomics, by Dr. Claude Anderson. 


I am in the midst of earning my masters in African-American history with an under-grad in history.  I welcome all that would like to be enlightened. 

Mel Brown
Mel Brown

@Knixtradamus you mean the ghettos of Europe, Taiwan, USA, Central and South America, Russia, Africa??  Each ghetto beholds a unique culture/climate.  So, which ghetto are you referring to?

Sociology 101.