Note: Where Things Are Right Now

11:01PM: McKenzie says that something to focus on may be the lack of info that is being leaked out of the meetings and that could be a positive step.

He adds “Leaks flow freely when one side or other is unhappy. Or it just could be at a really sensitive stage and no one wants to be one who blows it”

10:55PM: Helene Elliott of the LA Times tweets that talks are still going on

10:44PM: Damien Cox says that games on Christmas Day are on the table and possible

10:24PM: Helene St. James, a Red Wings beat writer, tweets that things are “not looking great” right now.

10:17PM:

Nick Cotsonika tweets that the sides are still talking “in some fashion”