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J. Smooth
J. Smooth

@tsjc68 I have a test in five minutes, but it'll get weird in about an hour.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@tsjc68 @J. Smooth At 6, I'd still like a guy with a better pass rush record.  8.5, with 3 coming in a bowl game against an inferior opponent, doesn't thrill me.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@J. Smooth @SackDance99

Rawer than sushi. 

Yes.

Not a first round player. 

Probably not.

Would rather have Eli Harold.

NO.


They're both raw athletic freaks who are more athlete than football player.


I'd rather have Dupree, though.  Both Dupree and Harold struggled mightily against good opponents (as in, they both got snuffed) but, when not clearly outclassed by smarter OLs, at least Dupree wins more often and in more ways (and is the better lump of clay of the two of them anyway).


I wouldn't take either of them at R1#6.  I would be okay with taking Dupree at R2#37 but not Harold.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@tsjc68 @J. Smooth @SackDance99 Cimini theorizes that Bowles might be from the Parcells school and like big OLBs. and Casserly mocked Dupree to the Jets (in a trade down with the Browns to 12).  He doesn't sound like a good pick at 6 because he's not a polished pass rusher and has the "inconsistency" tag.  But, over Harold?  Between 2 raw prospects, I'll take the bigger guy with more upside.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@SackDance99 @tsjc68 @J. Smooth

Basically, that.


I'm not a fan of either but I'm also not dumb enough to ignore the fact that Bud Dupree is a superb athletic specimen, and there comes a point where drafting him and trying to make him into something becomes the smarter move over taking some lesser prospect who is more instinctive and polished but doesn't have the body type to win in the NFL.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@tsjc68 @SackDance99 @J. Smooth It's always tough to evaluate good players on bad teams.  As a scout/fan, you'd like to see a non-stop motor and domination even on a bad team.  The reality is that losing does weigh on a team, especially when the defense is ahead of the offense.  Dupree is an enigma that, if figured out, could pay decent dividends because, besides pass rush technique, he has a lot of skills in his tool box.

nesboogie
nesboogie

I'm a Scar fan also lol. But Mike Davis is great, 4.38 at his pro day, some injury issues though. But I would take him. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@tsjc68 Doesn't run with scissors, looks both ways before he crosses the street, always uses a condom....he's safe.

tsjc68
tsjc68

(writes "never listen to Joel Klatt again" in diary)

eurojet
eurojet

He has a point though

bradysucks
bradysucks

6 foot 6 from a pro offense in college

I am on board with Mannion LATE in the draft

J. Smooth
J. Smooth

@bradysucks He wasn't good in that offense, though. That's an important thing to consider.

eurojet
eurojet

Matt Ryan wasnt good in college either

J. Smooth
J. Smooth

@eurojet That's false.


He came in 7th in Heisman voting that year, threw for 4500 yards.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@eurojet

He does, if the point is "Which of these college QBs is the safest bet to be an awful pro QB?"

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bradysucks

So, what you're saying is that he needed Brandin Cooks to avoid being bad.


Sounds like a UDFA.


Round 8, final offer.

bradysucks
bradysucks

I have repeatedly said if I ran the Jets draft that I would only draft Winston or Mariotta this year

Of the remaining guys - none of them are starting caliber

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bradysucks

I don't hate Manziel.  I pity him and I pity the Browns for being dumb enough to take him.

bradysucks
bradysucks

He wasn't good in 2014. He was good with Brandin Cooks in 2013. He is inconsistent but he is still a pure pocket passer with great size from a pro offense in college

I like Mannion better in the late rounds than I do Hundley in round 2

I'd rather develop a pocket passer from a pro offense

jetsfan65
jetsfan65

@bradysucks I don't think Hundley will go in the 2nd.  QB's often fall like Geno and Nassib did. People were saying Nassib would go in the 1st or 2nd and i think the Giants ended up taking him in the 4th.


I actually like Hundley and wouldn't mind him in the 3rd or if we get lucky in the 4th.  That's way better than taking Mariota with the 6th overall or even worse trading up for him.  


I don't mind taking a QB in the later rds either...

bradysucks
bradysucks

The Manziel hate never gets less amusing from you jealous haters....

bradysucks
bradysucks

Round 1 Mariotta QB Oregon

Round 2 Phillip Dorsett WR Univ Miami

Round 3 Tre Jackson G Florida St

Round 4 TJ Yeldon RB Alabama

bradysucks
bradysucks

Dorsett won't be there at 70 and he would compliment Decker/Marshall perfectly

He has the speed the Jets need and has upside potential

bradysucks
bradysucks

That was funny....lol

I laughed Even though you are wrong. That draft would be delicious

J. Smooth
J. Smooth

@bradysucks For who? We get 1 good player, reach for another pretty good player, and take two not good players.

bradysucks
bradysucks

We get a potential franchise QB along with a RB who can catch (and is good after the catch. ) We get a guard who could be a good player and a WR who is explosive in terms of speed

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bradysucks

Tre Jackson and TJ Yeldon look like a backup G and a RB#3 though.

J. Smooth
J. Smooth

@bradysucks TJ Yeldon stinks, first of all. I don't want him in the first four rounds. Tre Jackson isn't great either. I'm not opposed to the positions you drafted, I'm opposed to the players themselves.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Maybe....big maybe

I'd rather draft the speed

bradysucks
bradysucks

Yeldon is a 3rd RB but he would serve his purpose as a pass catching threat from the backfield. I'd rather have Duke Johnson but he isn't there in round 4

Disagree about Jackson who I think is an NFL starting guard with upside

bradysucks
bradysucks

I like Jackson

I am not married to the idea of Yeldon but thought he'd be there in round 4. He is a good pass catcher who can get yards after the catch