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harvlis
harvlis

If Patterson can stay healthy and give McDougle time to grow into the position, we will have a nice secondary to go along with our monster d-line.  I love the fact that Idzik picked up a number of key special teams players.  It is often forgotten but, is a major factor in field position.  I still worry about the O-line, and will continue to post it's importance, until the unit is solid.  We can have a special running game, if they can dominate up front.  When you have a young QB and  you bring in two special RB's -- you make sure that the O-line is in good shape.  Winters and Aboushi is not very reassuring.  I hope Dozier can step up quickly. If he is the real deal, Dozier and a healthy Colon could get the job done.  I would still look to pick up a solid veteran, if one becomes available. 

jaym
jaym

Rex disciple suspects Saban gave Jets playbook to Belichick

http://nypost.com/2014/06/19/rex-disciple-suspects-saban-gave-jets-playbook-to-belichick/


Former Jets defensive coordinator Mike Pettine said the Patriots may have acquired copies of the Jets defensive playbooks before they played. In a profile on themmqb.com, Pettine, who is now the Browns head coach and was the Jets defensive coordinator from 2009-12, said they suspected the Patriots may have gotten their hands on the playbook.

Those suspicions were somewhat confirmed when Patriots quarterback Tom Brady bragged to Jets outside linebackers coach Mike Smith that the Pats may or may not have had a few Jets defensive playbooks. The conversation occurred at Wes Welker’s wedding. Smith and Welker were college roommates.

“It didn’t shock me because Rex would give them out like candy anyway,” Pettine told the website. “He gave one out to [Alabama coach Nick] Saban and I was like, ‘Don’t you know Saban and Bill [Belichick] are pretty good friends? I have a feeling it’s going to end up in New England.’ ”

jabronijet
jabronijet

Some are saying Vick is losing his desire. He had to know what he was signing up for as a Jet, they made it perfectly clear to him. Vicks comments earlier as "no qb wants to sit on the bench," and I can't see myself as a back up" make this a possibility. Also his steadfast comments that there is no competition when he knew his bosses preach the competition line, also says something.

Maybe Vick did know what he was getting into, but now the reality is settling in with him and he is having trouble coming to terms with it. I hope he can work this out within himself, because he seems like a good team guy who would benefit Geno as he grows and matures as a young QB. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

Looks like Vikings are out of the running for Brandon Flowers, while the Pats and Steelers are emerging as possibles.  Chargers are the only visit so far that I've heard of.

harold
harold

Rich Cimini article on Goodson is ridiculous.  Trying to paint this as some massive failure by the Jets front office.  Goodson was an unfortunate sigining.  Him trying to paint it as some unilateral failing by the Jets and Idzik is silly.

Every NFL teams signs these types of guys every year some work out others fail.  Giving a talented players with somewhat checkered pasts is no failing.  It is what every team does to try and acquire top flight talent at cheap rates.

Goodson is gone, but to paint it as anything other than a calculated risk that did not pan out is false.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@harvlis The OL will look a lot better with QB competence running the WCO and the fact that CJ2K is a legitimate threat in the passing game.  Once defenses stop with 8 in the box every down and don't blitz with impunity, the OL will be solid.  Plus, the question marks are (1) Colon, because of injury; and (2) Winters, because of inexperience/injury/position change.  If healthy, Colon is a positive and Winters showed at the end of last season that he can, at least, become an average NFL OG.


Now, depth is always an issue until the depth players start.  Sometimes they're a disaster, like Colin Baxter, but sometimes they're more than adequate, like Rob Turner or Wayne Hunter in 2010.  I'm all for signing a vet for needed depth and Wade Smith, IMO, would be a perfect addition.  But, if last year's week 17 starters are healthy and ready for week 1, the OL is not a problem; it's a strength.

harvlis
harvlis

@jaym  Pettine is doing us a favor.  Let the media dogs take this garbage and run with it, thus removing the pressure from the players. 

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@jaym Let's be real. Revis could probably write up the entire thing. This is a non-story.

Brendan
Brendan

@jaym Seeing how Pettine became Manish's source when he wasn't happy with the way things were going, I wouldn't be surprised if he mailed it to Billbo himself. 

jaygo
jaygo

@jaym Consider the source.  This is a Fat Costello article written from the usual "Jets are Idiots" viewpoint.

jabronijet
jabronijet

@jaym Utter nonsense. The Jets would not be that lax with their bible.

jaygo
jaygo

@jabronijet You do realize you are attacking his work ethic and integrity claiming he 's acting like a spoiled brat.  Who could question Vick's integrity?

joemustgo
joemustgo

@jabronijet So, unless he wants to go out like a b*tch, he should suck it up and give Geno some comp. Then maybe he can resurrect his career with another team who will give him a shot at starting.

Bent
Bent moderator

@tsjc68 I don't buy the Pats interest.  They pressed even more than we did last year.

bob
bob

@tsjc68 

Also from what I'm hearing the Jets only like a certain brand of flowers

a57se
a57se

@harold 

The only point he makes that is valid to me is that Idzik could easily say,

"In retrospect it was a mistake signing Goodson. We will review our scouting procedures to see if there is anything we could have done better to avoid this type of situation in the future."

Instead of saying we did everything right and it was a good signing...

 

Brendan
Brendan

@harold When uberturd Mike Florio is weighing in as a compassionate human being, you know Cimini is upping his douche-game with something like this. 

harvlis
harvlis

@SackDance99 @harvlis  I don't think that Winters or Aboushi will never be good players.  They could become great.  But, going into a season with our new weapons and having a young QB -- I would make sure, prior to the season, that the O-line was not going to have any weak link(s).  If we end up with great depth, even better.

tsjc68
tsjc68

TOO SOON, BRO, TOO SOON

bob
bob

@Bent @tsjc68 

Flowers grew up in FL..Wouldn't surprise me if he signs with a warmer climate team also..

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @tsjc68

I don't think there's a good chance he ends up there (less because they play press-man and more because he'd be a slot corner for them with Revis/Browner already in the fold, and he doesn't like playing the slot apparently), but I'm not surprised they'd kick the tires.  


The Pats kick the tires on pretty much every available veteran.  It's like a reflex for them.

harold
harold

@Bent

Flowers skill set would lend itself perfectly for the slot, imo.

Maybe they look to upgrade there?

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @harold Has NE undergone the same level of self-flagellation in public over Hernandez?  Or is it just the Jets front office that has to mea culpa it up?

harold
harold

@a57se

I think it was a mistake in hindsight.  But in the moment it appeared to be a good low risk high reward signing.

The fact it doesn't work out is really a non-story.  Every team has signings that do not work out. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @harold

In retrospect, it wasn't a mistake signing Goodson.  It was a good signing that did not work out.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @harold What would be even better would be for him to say to the media that they did everything right and that it was a good signing ... but then review their processes behind the scenes to hopefully avoid a repeat anyway.


Never admit your mistakes to the media, it just gives them ammo.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se NFL teams can't use hindsight to second guess themselves. One crack of self-doubt in the foundation and you're screwed. 


The signing was fine, the team got out of it with minimal issue. Unless Cimini expects every GM to be forthright when he signs a player that isn't what they hoped (which is an irrational expectation), this is just pandering to the Jet-hating contingent of fans and media. 

Brendan
Brendan

@__fense It was all but confirmed in the chat for us, wasn't it? 


I'd peg it at "substantially likely that Pettine is Manish's source." 

jdb4
jdb4

@jaym @jaygo 

I guess Idzik has really driven the New York writers to the brink of insanity. So little for them to write about that making things up isn't cutting it. 


Thing is, football isn't so complex that coaches cant figure out what other teams are running. 


There are only so many things you can do with 11 men on on a 100 yard field 53 yards wide.


Hell if you saw Belichick "football life"  He knew what the Jets were going to do to beat them.  Told his team what they needed to stop and the Jets still won.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bob @Bent @tsjc68

The majority of NFL DBs grew up in Florida.  There's a huge FL-to-NFL DB pipeline.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@harold

2013 was Flowers's worst year, and also the year he played more in the slot than in any previous years.


He's got the body-type to play the slot but doesn't do it that well and doesn't like doing it.

harold
harold

@tsjc68

I agree 100%.  Just because a signing does not work out does not make it bad.  You take risks some work out some do not.  No big deal.

To write a whole article on it as though it was some huge mistake is silly and insincere.

BenNevis
BenNevis

Bent—

I have a theory as to why Goodson didn't show up at camp: is it possible that he wanted the Jets to release him now (as opposed to when and if he is convicted)?

This way, doesn't Goodson get to keep his signing bonus? (Whereas if he were to be convicted, the Jets could get that money back—isn't this the reason the Jets didn't release him earlier?)

gbrownn
gbrownn

There was an ESPN special on Alabama I rememeber watching a couple years. Saban was doing an interview in his office and on his desk was literally a copy of Jets  defensive playbook.

Plain as day he wasnt trying to hide it. Im sure that pic will pop up sometime in the near future. It was a white binder titled "2010 New York Jets Defensive Playbook".

Wouldn't surprise me at all if BB somehow got his hands on that. They are good friends.

Heres the link

http://brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2010/08/blog-post.html

__fense
__fense

@Brendan @__fense I don't remember, but I was under the impression that Bent thought he wasn't the source. That's who you're talking about 'all but confirming it', right?

harold
harold

@tsjc68

I would be interested in if he followed top WR's into the slot.  I think taking the 2nd or third best guy in the slot may not be as tough,  Thoughts?

a57se
a57se

@harold 

Well then, does the same rationale apply to draft picks?

Bent
Bent moderator

@BenNevis I think that's true, but I don't actually think it's motivated by money.  I think he's got some personal issues to sort through based on some of the reactions we've heard.


Also, by not showing up, he's losing out on money in respect of fines and also the team might potentially be on the hook for part of his salary due to him being still injured and therefore worthy of receiving a settlement.


Having played for the team last year, I think the best the Jets could hope to recover from his signing bonus would be two-thirds anyway and therefore he's not that much better off than he would be by showing up (not to mention that if he's not guilty then there's no chance of recovering anything).


The fact his agent wasn't sure what was going on suggests money isn't the issue.

__fense
__fense

@gbrownn According to that link, this is something that both happens all the time, and is obviously not the full playbook. We saw the playbooks on hardknocks the next year, and they were easily three times the size. 


But if this does happen all the time, there's got to be some kind of agreement to not give it to division rivals, right? I've never heard of it happening to other teams, and it's not like it would put it past Belicheck to cheat in order to gain an unfair advantage. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@harold

He did.


Posted this the other day:


How the mighty have fallen. It wasn’t that long ago that Brandon Flowers’ name was mentioned in the same breath as the league’s best. In 2010 he graded out as PFF’s second best cornerback and allowed just one touchdown all season. Fast forward to 2013 and Flowers missed two games, still gave up five touchdowns, allowed 0.95 yards per snap (third worst) and his 66.7 percent pass completions allowed ranked him fifth worst in the league. The net result is that the Chiefs are reportedly looking to trade him.

In defense of Flowers, he is a special breed of shadow corner (five games) in the fact he played 50 percent of his snaps in the slot. The closest comparisons would be Kyle Arrington (seven shadow games, 55 percent slot) and William Gay (five shadow games, 43 percent slot) and both Arrington and Gay are more a product of the usage of the other cornerbacks on the roster (Talib in New England, Taylor in Pittsburgh), whereas Flowers, Kansas City’s top corner, is specifically given that role. As a result of the way he is used, Flowers sees extended playing time against smaller, faster receivers, running routes that get them open quickly. His shadow duties last season were on Dez Bryant, Cecil Shorts, DeSean Jackson and Wes Welker (twice). If Flowers sticks in K.C. for another year I’d expect a similar performance, which is a useful nugget of information for those playing daily fantasy games when speedy slot receivers play the Chiefs.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/05/13/best-fantasy-cb-matchups/

tsjc68
tsjc68

Depends on the pick.

__fense
__fense

@a57se @harold Late rounders, yes, but there's a much larger cost that goes into draft picks than low level FA signings. 

bob
bob

@tsjc68 @levi @bob @Bent 

Hey guys I grew up in Ct became an electricl contractor in Ct also at the age of 30 went to FL and became an electrical contrator in Fl.. So I really know living in both climates very well. 

harold
harold

@tsjc68

Good info surprised I missed that yesterday.  But it seems with a lesser assignment he may be able to play well.  That may explain the Pats possible interest.

a57se
a57se

@__fense @a57se 

Late rounders? So it doesn't apply to 1st, 2nd or 3rd rounders?

Where do you draw the line?

Brendan
Brendan

@bob I'm thinking about pulling a George Carlin. 30 years on each coast. 

__fense
__fense

@a57se @__fense It would depend on a case by case basis. We lost what, a million dollars and a roster spot for a few weeks because Goodson didn't work out? A first round pick busting would lose us a first round pick, a few million dollars, and a roster spot for a few years. One is lose very little, gain very little, and the other is lose a lot, gain very little. 

bob
bob

@brendan @bob 

These days I'm torn between Ct and Fl I love them both.

Brendan
Brendan

@bob I'm just trying to be like you, Bob-o!

Brendan
Brendan

@bob I have friends that grew up here (the northeast) and moved away, they all say they miss it the most in the fall. Can't say I blame them, fall in the Tri-State area is pretty fantastic. 

juunit
juunit

@Brendan @bob 

Yeah, there aren't really any seasons in Florida. It's particularly depressing around Christmas time. 

bob
bob

@Brendan @bob 

What diiffrent about Fl is its warm at night.. I miss the snow at times very much the streams and trout fishing football freinds of coarse June is an awesome month..and Sepetember,

bob
bob

@juunit @Brendan @bob 

No i never get depressed all ways sunny and nice.

there is a winter and summer..and if you been down here as lone as I have there is a winter summer spring and fall.

I miss winters nights in Ct because it so beautiful.

bob
bob

@Brendan 

Fl nice until the index goes up.. thats a humidity gauge  kinda like the wind chill factor up north.

juunit
juunit

@bob @juunit @Brendan 

Well, if by spring and fall you mean rainy season, sure. But there's no spring or fall in the sense of the leaves on the trees looking any different.

bob
bob

@juunit @bob @Brendan 

Yes your right..Fall is the best in CT no mudd.I worked in constuction in CT and NY. working wiring new houses. commercial stores ect... and its muddy. however fishing season opens up and time to plant flowers and stuff spring also has it really good things to do.