Read: The Toughest Period Henrik Lundqvist Played

While the Rangers spent part of September and October in Europe preparing for the season, the team played an exhibition game against the Frolunda Indians.

Frolunda is the Swedish team that Henrik Lundqvist played for from 2000 to 2005 and led to two Swedish Elite League Championships.

On that game, Hank told the Rangers website “That first period was probably the toughest period I ever played. I was just thinking about all the years I played there.”







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borisjets
borisjets

Rex is gonna be on Francesspool in a minute

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

Hernandez indicted for 2012 double murder.  I'd love to get some truth serum in Bill and find out how much he knew about what was going on.

bobbyj
bobbyj

No matter how you look at it the Jets signing of Vick is a big vote of no confidence for Geno. I'm also hardly surprised to start hearing stuff about Geno's mental makeup. Remember this is a man who walked out of the draft, his agents had to go fish him off the street. & get him to return to the green room, & please no excuses, Arron Rogers went threw the same exact experience. Every QB who was a candidate for a first rd pick, see Manziel was told, " don't pull a Geno ", don't let people see your emotions ect. When Geno attempted that behind the back maneuver, that was a statement. Also for the record, I have not herd one single Jet official state that Geno Smith is the starter, best I've gotten is that Geno will be tough to beat out, from Rex...

bradysucks
bradysucks

Doesn't matter to me one little bit which QB starts for the Jets. The offensive weapons are much improved and I expect Vick or Geno to score points with this supporting cast. I don't have to worry about any buttfumbles this year and neither do any of you.

Bytor
Bytor

@a57se  Tanaka and pray for rain. I'm actually impressed with the Met's scrappyness.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  He's an incredible pitcher. He's definitely special. 



How did you like getting swept at home? 

__fense
__fense

@bobbyj  Note that 'walking out of the draft' in this case means 'leaving to go back to his hotel with a few picks left by teams that weren't going to pick him and then coming back the next day'.


Geno's been criticized for never showing emotion while playing. I don't really know what you want from him. 

Pete 57
Pete 57

MM said Geno will get first snaps and nothing is going to get in the way of his development. Is there anything positive about the Jets?

Bent
Bent moderator

@bobbyj  I think getting a stopgap veteran isn't as big of a vote of no-confidence as getting a rookie in the early rounds would be.

harold
harold

@bobbyj

Does anything you state mean he won't be the starter?

Brendan
Brendan

@bobbyj  They can't win. 


Last year: "they don't have a real backup, they don't want to win." 


*team signs a real backup*


This year: "they don't trust their starter, they signed a real backup!" 

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

@Bent

5. New York Jets (6-10): Jameis Winston*, QB, Florida State

If this scenario were to unfold and the Jets went 6-10 next season, chances are they'd be looking for a QB. There's no denying the Heisman-winning Winston's talent -- he shows good arm strength and accuracy to go with very good pocket presence and decision-making -- but his maturity and behavior off the field will be watched closely.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@bradysucks  Didn't Geno fumble the ball off his butt trying to pass it behind his back? Selective memory...

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

@bradysucks  

I think a lot of people are in the boat with you, including myself. I loved Pennington and wanted him to be the Jets QB for as long as he could play.  I liked Sanchez too and really wanted him to succeed.  Geno and Vick, though, I don't really feel like they are Jets.  They are just guys passing through, who aren't going to be long with this team.  Just put the one out there who won't throw five stupid interceptions per game, and I'm fine with it.

miamijoe
miamijoe

@Bytor @a57se  I'm tired of the Mets' scrappiness!  We have been crappy for so long that scrappy is the best we can do!!  I like what Alderson has done with starting pitching, but middle relief and hitting continues to s--k!

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @bobbyj  Yup.


Mike Vick is 34 and on a one year deal.  If they wanted to go all "SHOTS FIRED" at Geno, they would have taken Johnny Manziel or Teddy Bridgewater at R1#18 and guaranteed him 4 years and 20M.

bobbyj
bobbyj

Vick or Geno? I think Vick will start, Rex has an incentive based contract now. I don't think that the Jets can fix the QB comp to favor Geno. Many of the Jets are young players, who grew up idolizing Vick. I myself am a big Vick fan, & I'm pulling for him, not just to be a starter, but for him to topple New England...I know that, that idea is pretty far out there, but we've seen what Vick can do in Marty's system, & Vick has the heart & will of a champion, do not underestimate him

bobbyj
bobbyj

Brendan, I stated that David Garrad would never play a snap for the Jets, the day he was signed. I told you then that force feeding Geno would do him harm, not only w/the fan base, but with his teammates. It may sound great to you & some other people that the Jets were gonna flush they're entire season for the development of one, but that it would never fly/go over well in the locker room. Players have incentive based contracts ect. To compare the careers of David Garrad & Mike Vick, just shows how little you know about Vick. I am in favor of the Vick signing, would have been in favor of it last year. So I have no idea what your talking about. Funny though, know your hearing wait until Vick is named the starter, wait to hear what the players have to say about Geno....don't know why I bother with the guy who was telling everyone how great Vlad Ducase was, & how it wasn't a big deal that we let Matt Slauson walk for next to nothing. At least I stick to what I say & don't twist stuff around. I predicted that we would finish last in our division, Geno would be over matched & Rex would be fired, how far off was I?

Brendan
Brendan

@Ceifus Hornswoggle "If somehow, in spite of all logic and reason, the Jets regress with their incredibly young team finally having some experience..." 


It's like these dopes don't even put any thought into these. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@jetlife @Bent  How much is it going to cost us to trade up from 32 to 5?

bradysucks
bradysucks

Geno is not Sanchez...

We should have drafted Manziel (and I love Pryor)

Within 3 years Manziel will be a top 10 QB in the NFL

bradysucks
bradysucks

I liked Pennington a lot more than Geno & Vick. Most fans did but that is mainly because Chad was a smart QB who made good decisions and he always handled himself great. Chad just didn't have arm talent after the surgery to match his decision making.

If Geno doesn't kill us with turnovers I'll start loving the guy as our QB. If he keeps being stupid then he'll end up like Sanchez...in another city. I've forgiven Vick (but not forgotten)

Bent
Bent moderator

@bobbyj  The post is several years old.  At the time you used to post with your own name.  Still I am happy to change it.

bobbyj
bobbyj

Don't give a sh*t that u put me in your hall of whatever, but put me there as Bobby J, putting my last name on there is a jerkoff move Bent.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@__fense @Bent @tsjc68 @Ceifus Hornswoggle  


" I think Chad’s arm strength is even the way it is today because he got into the habit of slowing his passes down to give [Anthony] Becht a chance to catch it."


That's pretty good.

Bent
Bent moderator

@tsjc68 @Bent @bobbyj  I don't think that would be possible with the current slotting system.  The 18th pick is only going to get about $10m total.

Brendan
Brendan

@jimjets Yup. Either Geno is the guy and he beats out Vick, or he's not and he doesn't. But in either scenario, you have a viable starting QB option behind center for Week 1 (barring injury, of course). 

jimjets
jimjets

@Brendan @bobbyj  of course it was the right move, and the only move. It's a win-win for the jets and the fans...if vick beats geno, geno's not ready. if geno wins, he is and we have a competent back up, to go along with a competent offense and more than competent OC 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se For your next act are you going to defend Walter having the Jets pick #1 overall next year? 

__fense
__fense

@Ceifus Hornswoggle @Brendan  And if other games that we lost bounced the other way, we'd be 11-5. The Patriots win games in the last few seconds (mainly due to ref interference), and they're great. The Jets win games in the last few seconds, and they're just lucky. 

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

@Brendan @Ceifus Hornswoggle 

Anything is possible, I suppose.  Think about all the games we won in the last few seconds last year.  I don't know how many it was, maybe 2 or 3, but if those bounced the other way, we'd be 5-11.  I hope we can achieve some consistency this year, even if we aren't winning every game by three touchdowns.

__fense
__fense

@a57se @__fense  Ah, I didn't know that about Winston. I've been enjoying the 4 days of the year that no one talks about the upcoming draft. 

jimjets
jimjets

@Bent @jetlife  great one bent! if only...I do think we'll be picking in the 20's next year though

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se  Yes, because clearly the point of me saying that is that "they'll have the exact same career arc thanks to some superficial similarites" and not simply saying "not having a lot of turnovers in college doesn't mean you won't have a lot of turnovers as a professional."

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @bradysucks  No, not as a collegian.


Neither did Mark Sanchez, though, as a collegian.  In college, both Manziel and Sanchez had low turnover ratios and put up video game stats.


... in college.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se No, tsjc and myself and many others predict this will happen, and he wants it noted that BS said this in the middle of predicting Manziel wil lbe a "top 10 QB" in 3 years or whatever. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bradysucks  


I want it noted for the record that bradysucks just said Mark Sanchez was "way too inconsistent... way too many turnovers" in the same breath where he endorsed taking Johnny Manziel at #18 overall.



Pete 57
Pete 57

But the question was do YOU think you were a hater.

bradysucks
bradysucks

I think most people would say I was a "hater" of Sanchez

I wish him well in Philly but when he was with the Jets I was never a fan. I had my moments when I considered that I was wrong about the guy (especially in the playoffs where he raised his game)

It wasn't personal but I never saw Sanchez as a mature guy who was serious about being an elite QB. I saw him as a guy who had a great time being single in NY (who can blame him for that)

Was I rooting for Sanchez to fail? no

Was I rooting for him to be replaced?

Yes

Not sure what that makes me

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks  That didn't answer my question, BS, don't ignore it. 


Were you a "hater?" Or just someone who picked out flaws and stuck to his guns? 


I give you credit, you were never on the Sanchez train, I bought a ticket after 2010 and then tore it up in 2012. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

Yes I hated Sanchez

I hated the draft pick and never thought he was a good QB for the Jets

Way too inconsistent for me - way too many turnovers

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks  I love that anyone who points to his litany of issues is a "hater." 


Were you a "hater" when you railed against Sanchez? 

bradysucks
bradysucks

Like I said....I believe the Jets will regret not drafting Manziel

The guy is a good QB

Haters can hate ....Manziel has plenty of haters and just as many people who believe in the guy

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks  Was Tebow a top-10 QB in the NFL when he "took the Broncos to the playoffs?" Otherwise...that proves nothing for your stance. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

Time will tell

His rookie year could be rough without Gordon

If Tebow can take the Broncos to the playoffs then Manziel can do the same in Clevland. The Browns have a great defense and Petine can coach defense

I'll enjoy proving you & Tsjc68 wrong on this

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se  Yup, 100% ... and then they won the next eight in a row and I thought being a Jets fan was going to be an easy ride.  Boy was I wrong.

miamijoe
miamijoe

@a57se @Ceifus Hornswoggle  When was that game?  The only game of note I remember between O'Brien and Marino was a Sunday game I think in 1986 that was like 48-42 final at the Meadowlands.  Walker caught a TD to tie the game at the end of regulation and ended the game in with another score.  

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@Bent  My favorites all time were Testaverde and O'brien.  To bad Testaverde got hurt his second season with the Jets, I think we would have gone pretty far that year, O'brien was probably one of the most under appreciated players ever to play for the Jets, not so many QB's went toe to toe with Marino and won. I still remember those shoot outs.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @Brendan  That was right when they both took off in popularity for the first time.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent  ...and just like the MNM and the 1986 shootout that Mets-Sox game was littered with wacky and awesome plays and moments, starting with when a parachutist landed on the field right at the start of the game.


You just knew it was going to be a memorable night.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent  


There's only been one QB we've ever acknowledged and I wonder who (if anyone) the second should be.


Tom Tupa.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent I was 10 months old, so I try not to say I "saw" that, but I've obviously watched the replays. 


Best comeback ever. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se The Mets' 10 run rally against the Braves in 2000 is one of the best comebacks I've ever seen. 

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

@a57se @Ceifus Hornswoggle 

That'd be awesome.  The sky darkens with flying lawnmowers.  Giants fans are stunned at first, unable to speak or move.  Then the first wave starts wiping out the lower rows, heads and hands flying like blood soaked birds through the scream filled air.  The rush of the blue and white crowd causes compression injuries on a mass casualty scale.  People start jumping from the upper decks, only to be struck in mid air by the unaffected whirring blades of justice.  Blood rains down on the field as Eli's head leaps through the goal posts.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Ceifus Hornswoggle  They were both incredible.  I thought nothing would ever top that '86 game but the MNM gave it a run for its money.


Where 1986 has the edge is that it was great all the way through, back and forth, lots of lead changes.  2000 was AWFUL for three quarters and then got really got late.  2000 does run it close, though, because there were so many whacky and unique plays.  Maybe the two best NFL games I've ever seen, but I give 1986 the edge too.  

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  See, now you're starting to think about them and compare and contrast.  Even if you conclude no on all four, that's the whole point.


Vinny was his backup at the end of his career, that doesn't diminish his achievements as a starter any more than retiring or going elsewhere would.

Brendan
Brendan

@Ceifus Hornswoggle I still remember tearing up when I heard he blew out his achilles. I had just beaten a team 37-0 in my Pop Warner season opener, riding high and some little fckface ran up to me in a Giants shirt happily yelling that Vinny T was out for the year. 

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

@a57se @Ceifus Hornswoggle@Bent 

The Jets were in a bad way until Vinny showed up.  He helped turn the team around during that period.  He may have done even better had it not been for the Achilles.  He also was responsible for the greatest Monday Night Football game ever played.  And he was one of the few modern Jets QBs to win the division.  In 3 seasons, he accomplished a lot more than most other Jets QBs.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  


"Sounds like you already made up your mind"


Not at all, it's the fan's HOF and the selection committee follows their lead.


Just making my case for yes, in the same way you're making your case for no.  And I'm just saying he should be considered, not handing him a spot.


I agree with you on Obie.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se  "...what percentage of people on this Blog saw the guy play?"


That's something the selection committee always takes into account because if we had a pure vote, then the more recent players would always win.  So, we do lean towards tilting it in favor of the older guys.


If nothing else that leads to more interesting articles about guys not everyone is familiar with.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Ceifus Hornswoggle @Bent  He also authored one of the most successful seasons in franchise history (the most successful in terms of wins, in fact).  In a similar way to how we will rightly recognize lots of the SB winning team even though some of them didn't play for the team for that long, we should be recognizing the successes of other eras.  With Vinny leading the Jets to an AFC Title Game and leading the Monday Night Miracle and countless other memorable moments, I'd say he's done more than enough to be considered a big part of the team's history.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent 


I'd say Penny might have the least case of them all, but he's the most recent. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se  FWIW I think O'Brien and Testaverde have a strong case too.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  Pennington is one of my favorite Jets of all time.  If there are a lot of other fans who felt the same way, he would be worthy of it.  Maybe there is not, that's why I asked the question.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  


The TJB Hall of Fame is designed to acknowledge players who were fan favorites not just the elite all-pro types.  Pennington was absolutely a fan favorite in his early years and had some successful times (notably in 2002, 2004 and 2006), but some fans got frustrated with his injuries.


We're certainly not desperate for candidates, but there's only been one QB we've ever acknowledged and I wonder who (if anyone) the second should be - O'Brien, Pennington, Todd or Testaverde.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Bent

I loved Pennington but I was for getting rid of him after 2007. He couldn't stay healthy and wasn't the same player. He played well in Miami for a year and then got injured (again)

It was time to move on

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

@Bent @bradysucks 

I don't blame Chad for going to Miami.  The Jets cast him off; not the other way around.  I would've rather kept Chad and suffered the consequences than bring in the masseuse master.

Bent
Bent moderator

@bradysucks  Aha, so you were one of the ones complaining!


Pennington got a good reception from Jets fans at the draft, perhaps indicating that enough time has passed since his foray as a Dolphin and now he's viewed as a Jet once again ... so maybe it's time to reconsider his candidacy for the TJB Hall of Fame?

bradysucks
bradysucks

I was ready to move on from Pennington and his noodle arm

I remember him early in his career before the surgeries and he was fantastic

People loved Chad's personality. Class act

Bent
Bent moderator

@bradysucks  All I can remember about the Pennington era was people complaining about his noodle arm.  I don't think he that much more popular than Sanchez.  You're right that he was way better though, just under-appreciated.

bradysucks
bradysucks

I think Boyd is a good leader....I'd love it if he pushes the other 2 guys and surprises his many critics. I'd be on board with Boyd