Read: Why Shane Doan Should Pick The Rangers

At NHL.com, Dan Rosen looks at five teams that Shane Doan could sign with if he decides to leave Phoenix.

One of those teams listed is the Rangers and Rosen writes “He wants to win the Stanley Cup and the Rangers are built to win now.”

Rosen says that if Doan is to sign in NY than Carl Hagelin would likely lose his spot in the top six and Rick Nash would move over to the left side.

He adds “All this might not matter because coach John Tortorella has a habit of constantly juggling his lines, but there’s no denying Doan would fit on the Rangers and make them even better than they are right now — and right now they’re a legitimate Stanley Cup contender.”

The other teams listed are the Canucks, Penguins, Flyers and Kings.


Adam Rotter: The Rangers will need something to lure Doan that is different from what the other teams can offer him. Doan isn’t going to pick a team that won’t be a Stanley Cup contender and is likely to have the same kind of role and responsibility on every team. At that point, it may come down to who goes to a fourth year, or fifth, to sign him up. Doan wants security and stable ownership with his new deal. I don’t think there will be much negotiating, he has his demands and someone will cave into them.




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Monty
Monty

   you  have got to admit it's hilarious. The jets finally get a build through the draft penny pinching GM...the year it comes out the cap is going to skyrocket the next couple of years. 

Everyone spent money and got players except for us...even the build through the draft guys..Its kind of funny being a jets fan.. were always zigging when we should be zagging. haha. who knows..its just a game who gives a crap ..well see..were going to have 60 million in cap space next year for what .. to resign the players we have. Yay. Its all good no offence to any of you .. 



Paul Samuels
Paul Samuels

I don't get why there is no sound on the Chris Johnson front. An Ivory/Johnson tandem would be possibly the best 1-2 punch in the league. 

Brendan
Brendan

Pro Football Focus ‏@PFF  1m

The wide receiver with the most catches in 2013 while not having a single drop was Sidney Rice. He is one of the best FA WRs available.



Also saw he's cleared to start cutting in his workouts. 

Monty
Monty

lets not be naive here...the jets have the worst corners in the division. Milner could be good .. but hes done it for 4 games,,does he match up with grimes or revis or even mckelvin yet.No he has to be good for a season. In number 2 corners we get smoked. 

Judging corners as a position you have to say they are worst in the division

You can make the argument the Jets have the worst safeties in the division.

the worst receivers in the division even after decker.

Wake the hell up ..everyone else gets to draft too people. Idzik bombed

Monty
Monty

If the keyboard I'm typing this sentence on was GM this off-season the defense would have better talent.

xplr
xplr

Just realize that a lot of guys are still going to get cut. We are sitting with a pile of cash and have the ability to sign anyone we want. But will Idzik spend it?

Monty
Monty

this is shaking out very badly...

if the qbs drop idzik is going to edn up looking sillier than usual. 


if we had signed another wide receiver  or a corner who has starting experience2 we could have taken a flyer on one of the good qbs if they fell. ..or could have just taken bpa


now that we have left it up to the draft to fill our holes.if the skill players we like are alll gone and the qbs drop were going to have to reach on some skill players to fill holes. Or we take bpa and have huge holes going onto the season. Either way, the corners we like are rising.. the receivers we like are rising and the qbs are dropping. Bad for us.





a57se
a57se

What, if anything, would you trade for Sam Bradford?

His career stats with the Rams are as follows:


58.6% Completion Percentage; 59 TD's and 38 INT's; QB rating 79.3 in 4 seasons. he was sacked 120 times in 49 games.

WW85
WW85

Anyone have a list of all the players the Jets are bringing in for workouts/interviews?

jabronijet
jabronijet

No doubt the Jets have major areas that need to be upgraded before they can be a real threat in the league. This will not happen overnight. I do like the way Idzik is going about business as long as he has a successful draft. If he doesn't, it will be a huge set back due to the fact that the Jets had a pretty uneventful Free agency. I definitely agree with the opinion that Idzik has put it all on the draft and that is not a bad thing.

In my view, after a team has laid the foundation with a young core, then they go after some mid to top Free agents to put them over the top, not the reverse order. I am expecting a decent and competitive season, but I don't expect a post season at this juncture. If the draft is productive, it will be worth it. 

Wilkershakes
Wilkershakes

If Teddy Bridgewater is available at #18, should the Jets take him?  

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@Paul Samuels  Sometimes it's on the player;and not the team/GM. When CJ is ready to sign a contract at a very large reduction from what he was supposed to get from the Titans, he will sign. Right now, he is in no rush mode.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan  Not sure this means too much.  The tight end with the most catches in 2013 while not having a single drop was Kellen Winslow and nobody's queuing up to sign him.

Steven Windeler
Steven Windeler

@Monty It's a good thing the corners don't play each other or we'd have no chance.

Brendan
Brendan

@Monty  I see you've yet to learn any new tricks. 


"Let's not be naive here, the Jets have the best center in the division." 


What does pointing to a single position do? 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Monty  ...and a lot less money left over, perhaps to the point where they end up without leverage in the re-negotiation of some of their key veterans or miss out on opportunities to upgrade with value moves on cap casualties or trades.

Monty
Monty

@ifti99  This is not a knock on you because Ive heard this parroted from other apologists before...but who is going to not make someone ones 53 man roster that you would want to start on your team. Or that would be an upgrade from what we had last year?. 

Steven Windeler
Steven Windeler

@Monty When was the draft? Did I miss it?


Do you think signing Doesn't really care would have won us a SB? Maybe it would be better to save that cap space for next year...Just a thought.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@Monty  


It's still a month 'till the draft, so expect a lot more fluidity before it begins and probably lots more movement, up and down, when we get there.   Bottom line, it doesn't matter.   There's enough talent to virtually guarantee us a top player at any number of positions when we pick in the first round.   

Steven Windeler
Steven Windeler

@a57se There's no point. Apparently the QBs are dropping, and all the players we could have used have already been selected. This is not good, in fact it's very bad.

marcus81
marcus81

@a57se Geno was 8-8 with one of the worst receiving rosters in the NFL, and he throws a nice deep ball, too bad Jets don't have a deep threat to throw to, hopefully in the draft that will be addressed 

ganggrncap
ganggrncap

@a57se


Bradford.....  I wudnt take him eve if he played for free...


Id ratha keep Sanchez ova Bradford

blackwood1
blackwood1

@Wilkershakes He wont be there at 18 so its not something to worry about, game film speaks, rumors are just to keep people clicking links.

marcus81
marcus81

@Wilkershakes Geno might be better than Bridgewater if teams are shying away from him, supposedly teams shied away from Geno cause he acted like a diva before he got drafted, not because of a question of talent.

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@Wilkershakes  Absolutely not. Their is no evidence that Teddy Bridgewater is better then Geno Smith (and certainly not better then Mike Vick).

Stanley Bostitch
Stanley Bostitch

@Wilkershakes  I don't think they should and don't think they will. Best case is we can auction the pick and get more 2nd-3rd round picks. Otherwise you have to ride with Geno/Vick for a year to see if we are set; if not then we go QB next year.


A few random draft predictions:


* Idzik will be active trading on draft day, and will look to accumulate add'l 2015 picks in case they need the firepower to move up for a new QB.


* They'll go quantity for both CB and WR - expect two of each (and up to two TE's). Follows model of last years' run on OT's.


* The biggest question right now is whether they trade up for someone they believe is a can't miss/must have guy, aka Watkins, Lee, Gilbert, or Dennard. I could see it happening.


Can't wait.

a57se
a57se

@Wilkershakes  

no, there is something wrong there....just not sure what it is.

Monty
Monty

@Brendan @Monty  good players still win games right? or is this hockey.. do we have brodeur and a trap system.. no? Then we need good players to win games. We have the worst seconday and worst recievers in our division and I dont think thats debatable..


Just look at the rosters .. Im not yelling and screaming im just stating the obvious. Johnny screwed us.. the cap is a myth. Let me know when it comes back to hurt denver or new england that they spent so much of this cap. 


stop drinking the kool aid. 

Monty
Monty

@Brendan @Monty  The secondary and wide recievers is not a single position. 

dapoktan
dapoktan

@Bent @Monty  i would love a quick list of teams that are in cap trouble this offseason.. so we can start sniping out some potential cuts.. more hypo fun! :)

Monty
Monty

@Bent @Monty  not really.. yeah Id rather have a possibly healthy cro out there and have a little less cap space.. sorry 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Bent @Monty  

This guy thinks if Idzik hasn't spent all of the teams available money,  he isn't doing a good job.  

The team is rolling some money towards the future for Wilkerson and company,  while maintaining the ability to add FA players in the future as the teams continues to improve through the draft.

xplr
xplr

@Monty @ifti99  There are lots of guys that will still get cut for salary cap reasons. Honestly, our secondary right now is a disaster. Almost anyone could help.

Monty
Monty

@Hazard2012 @Montypeople have been saying expect things since march 10th. I guess people know hings I dont. I dont expect any fluidity . idzik cant make a deal where he doesn't clearly convincingly win. His secret is out and no one will do a deal with him. the Tampa deal got everyone there fired. hes not going to do anything. hes going to draft and hope for the best.

a57se
a57se

@Steven Windeler

I wouldn't put much stock in all the rumors........a lot of smoke being blown right about now.

a57se
a57se

@ganggrncap

Really? Bradford has had much better career stats then Sanchez with an inferior team......

juunit
juunit

@1969JAN12th @Wilkershakes 

By that logic there was no evidence that Andrew Luck would be better than Curtis Painter, and teams should just skip the draft all together. 

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@Stanley Bostitch @Wilkershakes  I disagree  (that Idzik will move up or down). This just doesn't seem to me to be his personality. The Jets will make their list of BPA and whoever is available at that time they will take. I know it sounds boring, but Idzik has stuck to his plan so far; I don't think he is going to go "trader Tanny" on us now..

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@Stanley Bostitch @Wilkershakes  


Think you're right about Idzik accumulating picks, but I'd like at least one or two additional 2nd or 3rds so we can capitalize on the deep talent in this draft.  


But accumulating picks seems diametrically opposed to moving up.   That would be a mistake in this draft...there's not a single player worth it, because there's no clear-cut top dog in any position.   Jets are virtually guaranteed an immediate impact player regardless, in any position, so why move up?  Moving down is far more likely.  


Also agree that the QB issue will be addressed next year if Geno doesn't do well.  Vick isn't the future, but the team can still take shape while this is sorted out.  

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @Brendan  Brandon Marshall had the most drops and Greg Little had the worst drop rate.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Monty @Bent  The fact Cro isn't on this team right now has nothing to do with money.  They spent the same amount give or take on another corner, so clearly they chose not to retain Cro.


And we all know why ... because they're not sure he will be "possibly healthy" and also because he couldn't keep his mouth shut all offseason.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Monty @Bent @bklyndude  


That's what you're not getting.  The Jets are in year two of this regime's development plan while the Seahawks were at the point where they had built a contender that just needed to fill out their roster.


The reason they were able to sign or trade for three DEs (and make the Percy Harvin move) were because they had the cap room to do so...and the reason they had the cap room to do so was because in the early years of their plan (where the Jets are now) they focused on value and retained maximum flexibility so they could develop and assess what they had.


Monty
Monty

@Bent @Monty @bklyndude  well see what happens its all opinion.. but what Im saying if your just looking at talent is . were f;d ;) 

Monty
Monty

@Bent @Monty @bklyndude  Thier overall talent is not horrible they have two clear areas of need. 

Last year seattle needed a better pass rush and traded for or signed 3 free agent pass rushers. 

in  2009 10 we needed recievers...hindsight is 2020 of course but bringing in  braylon and santonio got us within a game of the super bowl .. we have a couple of glaring holes holes that could have been easily filled while keeping cap space. 


The knee jerk I just went to spend all of the money argument is ludicrous chidish and easy. We could have easily bolstered the secondary and receiving core without mortgaging the future. '


If I can see that you think he cant. Its his job.. If he cant figure out a way to fill the holes efficiantly without just sitting in the draft room like a dunce waiting for the clock to start than hes horribly overpaid. 


were not a horrible team but currently our recievers and secondary are the worst in the division..a couple of good free agents ON TOP OF some draft picks could have changed that...and could still...

if that unimaginative bum would get to work 




Bent
Bent moderator

@Monty @bklyndude @Bent  If the talent is that bad, then it would be stupid to spend all your money just to turn yourself into an average at best team.  Then you'll just end up incapable of upgrading further and then back to square one (see the last 40 years of Jets history).


Alternatively, if they're that close that you could spend a chunk of money and create a contender, then you must be underrating their talent levels.


Regardless of your thoughts on their talent levels, this is a YOUNG team and therefore they need to assess everyone before they upgrade.  You go out and get a free agent guard on a four year deal then all those linemen you added last year were a waste of time.  Similarly with the cornerback position and all the young talent they've been developing,


You need to develop SOME talent, you can't just buy, buy, buy in the NFL.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@Monty @Hazard2012  


I think you're wrong re the fluidity of this draft.  With precious few exceptions, there's no consensus or meaningful separation in talent in almost every position.    


Who's the best QB?  The best anything?   They're all bunched together --- it comes down to 'feel' and 'fit' --- and I believe this will cause more movement on draft day then we've seen in years.   


More than the usual one or two players projected to go in the top twenty will fall, and as they do expect to see a frenzy of trades up so that teams can snag the one 'special' BPA on their board or move back when more than one of their top choices falls within range. 

And teams at the top of the draft not enamored with or in need of one special player may prefer to move down to collect additional top picks as they slide.   So it's not just the board that's fluid, but also the order in which teams will ultimately pick.   




Wilkershakes
Wilkershakes

@a57se @ganggrncap   Bradford is a better QB than Sanchez.  Don't want him, though.  Unless a young drafted QB shows that he's got it, then keep trying with the new ones.  We know what Bradford and for that matter what Sanchez are.  If we hit on a young QB like the Seahawks did with Wilson, then it's about building the team around him.  Still could be Geno.  At least, they have Vick now in case it's not him.  

juunit
juunit

@DarrolRayFanClub @juunit@1969JAN12th@Wilkershakes 

I don't know how you get all that out of two sentences. He said nothing about their play in college. But, if we were to actually look at their college results, Teddy Bridgewater is very clearly the superior player to Geno Smith. 

Keeping in mind that Smith was in a completely different style of offense, letting his receivers do much of the work after the catch while Bridgewater ran a pro-style and passed downfield, we can compare their production in their final years at school (note that Smith was a senior and had another year of experience while Bridgewater was a junior.)

Completion percentage: The same, near as makes no difference. Smith had a .2% edge. 

Yards: Smith has the edge, but only because he threw more often. Bridgewater actually averaged an entire 1.1 more yards per attempt.

TD/INT: Smith had 42/6 = 7 Bridgewater had 31/4 = 7.75

Bridgewater also won quite a few more games and had excellent Bowl performances. Smith s*** the bed against Syracuse.

You'd have an extremely difficult time making a legitimate, fact based argument that Geno Smith did more in college than Teddy Bridgewater. 

a57se
a57se

@juunit

and if we invoke the Brady rule, we should just select all our QB prospects in the 6th round....

Use the Keenan Allen rule and draft all our WR's in the 3rd round.

I'm sure we can find enough examples to never take anyone in the first two rounds......

We can trade our premium picks for extra lottery tickets in the 3rd round and on......eventually we'll end up with a great roster!

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude  

You are the only person mentioning the idiot Matt Millen.

My point is Idzik did pick two very good players.  He had some good players to choose from and he seems to have picked the two best players for this organization.

He could have traded one of the first round picks to acquire additional picks,  but he stood pat,  and the team is better for it.

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude  

The GM's that screw up TOP picks are idiots like Matt Millen who don't last very long. No one has ever accused Idzik of being completely clueless like Millen. 

If that is the bar you are setting for Idzik, you need to raise your expectations.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @1969JAN12th

Like I have said many times, picking 9 and 13 is hard to screw up......

Teams do screw up in the first round, good teams screw up less   You saying it over and over doesn't mean it's true. 

Passing on Milliner and Richardson and picking two other players that aren't as good certainly impacts the direction of the organization and which players and positions the team targets in the future.

Wilkershakes
Wilkershakes

@a57se @1969JAN12th   It's easy to screw up and was make it or break it in the past years because of the salaries doled out.  Now that the wage scale is in, it's not as bad.  I'd say the later picks are what makes it for GM's.  

a57se
a57se

@1969JAN12th

Like I have said many times, picking 9 and 13 is hard to screw up......it is the later picks that make or break a draft and a GM........

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@Hazard2012 @1969JAN12th @Stanley Bostitch @Wilkershakes  

If you base the small sample size (last years draft); Idzik had Milliner and then BossHogg as his best two available on the board when they selected. The only reason we got Geno Smith is because he felt that Geno was the BPA. If he thought that Geno Smith (who became our starter) was a 1st round talent...he would have taken him. Also, the rumors were we might pick Tavon Austim...who we just missed. Even for him we didn't move up. ...which turned out to be a good thing.

a57se
a57se

@Hazard2012

Idzik is an unknown.........we have no idea what this guy is going to do or how well he will do it.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@1969JAN12th @Stanley Bostitch @Wilkershakes  


We'll soon see, but do we really know what to expect from Idzik?   


The problem with Trader T was that he tended to bundle picks to move up, not accumulate picks moving down.   Idzik is known for building via the draft, finding value and uncovering hidden gems.   


It should be interesting to see him work a draft this deep, with so many picks and so many needs.   I can see him staying pat, I can see him looking to accumulate picks by moving down a few notches (only if 2's or 3's are involved), but I don't see him moving up.