Read: “Neither Side Has The Guts To Blow This”/Sunday Could Be The Day

1:04PM: Cotsonika sent out a tweet saying “Opinions all over the place on both sides. Mine remains same: Not close enough for deal yet, but too close to lose season.”

12:55PM: The guys at Hockey Central, Nick Kypreos, Doug MacLean and Darren Millard all say emphatically that there is nothing being discussed between the two sides that should cancel the season.

12:35PM:

12:32PM: Everyone on Hockey Central agrees that $300 million for make whole isn’t a deal breaker but the 10 year CBA could be.

Kypreos says that what is stopping this deal from getting done is five-year contracts and the five year variances.

12:30PM: MacLean and Kypreos argue over how the bottom six players are going to get shortchanged in the new CBA. MacLean says that it is a myth that bottom six players will not be taken care of in the new CBA.

12:27PM: MacLean says that there is no “showstopper” issue stopping the deal from getting done and nothing that will really impact either side  down the line. Nick Kypreos says that if the players give in now the owners will just ask for more later, even if it’s in 10 years.

12:24PM: Larry Brooks reports that the pension issue has become a big obstacle in the CBA talks.

12:22PM: Aaron Ward tweets “At this stage, doesn’t appear the Union will take this present NHL offer to a full vote.PA still actively engaged in internal meetings”

12:20PM: Sarah Kwak of SI says that a drop dead date was not discussed yesterday.

12:18PM:On Hockey Central on Sportsnet, Doug MacLean says that “neither side has the guts to blow this” deal up and not strike a deal.

John Shannon says on the show that he would have suggested the same thing in 2004 while MacLean countered by saying that times are different now and there is too much to lose.

When asked his feelings, Shannon said that he thinks that by Sunday there should be clarity on whether there will be hockey this year.





488 comments
chrisr
chrisr

What if we sign JPP from Giants. switch to 4-3?

jma020
jma020

I'm still pissed that Rex is gone.  We're going to be worse off with whoever we hire.  Walterfootball said it well:  

"There are only a handful of coaches in the NFL who know how to contain Tom Brady. The Jets had one of them, and they also happen to be in Brady's division... and yet, they fired that coach? Huh? "

WW85
WW85

Anyone think Kaepernick is worth discussing?  

dabronx
dabronx

Just watched a Todd Gurley highlight reel!! WOW!! If he is there in the second (and the combine proves he can catch) we should consider picking him up. CJ sucks and needs to go as well as Harvin. Seattle drops Harvin and all of a sudden is running on all cylinders. Interesting. I like Ivory, but we need a better playmaker in the backfield. 

dabronx
dabronx

I'm a huge fan of OT Erek Flowers and ILB Perryman (possibly second?) from Miami. 2016 may be Bricks last season with the Jets. Flowers has LT potential.

marcus81
marcus81

what the fudge I wanted to be in the top 2

bob
bob

Wow I really hope the Jets pick Brandon Scherff. put him at guard. I love the d-line would love one more 1st round stud on the o-line

@jma020 so that's your criteria for a coach, just contain Brady and all is well regardless of the record, poor clock management, idiotic statements, idiotic play calls, no accountability with the offense, I can go on and on and on!


dabronx
dabronx

@WW85 

Sure, to strictly compete for the QB position vs Geno and whatever vet they bring in. Is SF cutting him? It would probably require a trade. Looking at his contract details, they would have to pay him close to 10M just to cut him. 


I don't think he is going anywhere.

juunit
juunit

@dabronx 

Gurley misses a lot of time because of injuries. I'd be pretty averse to picking someone up like that given our recent luck with injured draft picks. 

williamg1
williamg1

@Bent

Pats fans think he restructured to free up money for Revis. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@dabronx I've seen Perryman play.  Not really sold.  Need to see more.  I thought the much-lower rated Quayshawn Nealy had about as much to offer as Perryman.

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1 Then she probably should have told her husband to not tweet about private contract discussions between his cousin and the team.

marcus81
marcus81

@bob the O line seemed to play better last year even with Winters, this year they where less consistent, Scheriff should make a big difference, still need a starting CB, Scheriff if Cooper is gone

Bent
Bent moderator

@bob They could do this with Collins too (and I think Collins has better pass rush numbers

dabronx
dabronx

 @jma020 Vince Lombardi couldn't of coached this team to the playoffs. The Rex firing will haunt us, bank it!

WW85
WW85

@dabronx It would be an expensive trade--maybe our #1?

dabronx
dabronx

@juunit @dabronx 

Yeah, I forgot he tore his ACL. Would take a flyer on him in the later rounds (5 or 6). He is beast when healthy. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@williamg1 @Bent It's pretty funny that the Pats need to free up money for Revis to take a pay cut.

juunit
juunit

@Bent @dabronx 

Reminds me of David Harris. Good solid MLB. Not really the guy you want to commit to for 10 years though. 

MLB seems to be generally undervalued to me. I think a good defense needs a beast at MLB. Just look at the Niners, Steelers and Ravens. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@marcus81 @bob It looks to me that the OL was marginally better this season.  We'll never know how good the OL could be with better QB play.  I don't want an OL at 6.  I won't throw the remote at the flat screen, but I won't be cheering the pick.

bob
bob

@Bent @bob  I like that Im gonna check out his tape cool I also like the center for FL state put him at guard in the 2nd round pic

dabronx
dabronx

@WW85 @dabronx 

I doubt it would cost a #1 if your taking on that contract. Just not worth it. His contract is an albatross and SF will be stuck with him for another year, if not two. 

juunit
juunit

@dabronx @juunit 

It's not just the ACL. In 3 seasons at Georgia he played in 30 total games. That's 10-12 games he missed. 

endseason
endseason

@williamg1 "I groveled to the man I wish I was."

Way to go, Woody. There goes at least one draft pick.

Bent
Bent moderator

@bob @Bent Yeah you'll like him.  La'el Collins from LSU.

lagoo
lagoo

I love collins. Stick him in between mangold and brick and we'd have a start to a really solid line

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent If there was ever a OL for Bob to like, I think it's Collins. Dude just moves people. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Bent @bob Bent, there are 3 DE candidates allegedly in the top 6, Williams, Ray and Gregory.  The latter 2 sound like 3-4 WILL candidates.  My wish list always has QB at 1 and pass rushing demon at 2.  If the Jets get a real outside pas rushing threat, the Jets' front 7 will be frightening.  IMO, that's better than OL, especially since Aboushi looked solid and Dozier might turn into a viable option.

dobermite
dobermite

@Bent @bob Unless you are reasonably sure he's the next John Hannah or Jim Parker, I don't think you should take an OG in the TOP 10. Everyone understands the concept of "BPA" from a talent POV, but you also have to consider "Positional Value."

The only OL I would take in the TOP 10 is a potential franchise LT

dabronx
dabronx

@WW85 @dabronx 

He is slated to make over 15M next year. I don't know if I would take him for a seventh rounder. 


Also, he is schedule for almost 17M in 2016 with a player friendly contract. 


Pass.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent I think Collins' highlights will get his tail wagging.

bob
bob

@Brendan @Bent 


Cool I'm just big on the o-line till we get one more stud I like Collins but I love Scherff he's a beast.

juunit
juunit

@Brendan @Bent 

I think he'd like Connor Kruse too, out of Michigan State. He's gotta be close to the leader in the nation when it comes to number of times he puts defenders on their ass in the run game. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@SackDance99 @Bent @bob


How good was Coples in the fourth quarter though?  If he could extrapolate that to a whole season, he'd be a hall of famer!


A season is only 64 times as long as a quarter.  Should be attainable!

juunit
juunit

@SackDance99 @Bent @bob 

We should probably hold off the discussion on edge rushers until we know who the coach is and what defense he's gonna run. But there are some non-1st round guys in this draft that I like as pass rushers. I won't support anything but a 1st round QB, so Gregory/Ray aren't options as far as I'm concerned. 

bob
bob

@dobermite @Bent @bob 


look at the Cowboys they boood there last two 1st round pics a center then a guard. and now look at the Cowboys surprising everyone this year.

Bent
Bent moderator

@dobermite @Bent @bob


I agree 100% - both these guys ARE potential franchise LTs.  The plan would be to start them at guard while Brick holds down that spot.

bob
bob

@brendan @Bent  honestly I loved the Richardson pic I thought picking him to add to Wilk and Q was awesome.

Brendan
Brendan

@bob Oh, I know Bob, and you're right about it being as important as any other unit, if not more. I think they can live with:


Brick - FA G (or high draft pick playing G until Brick leaves) - Mangold - Aboushi - Breno.


That gives you a right side with two bruising run blockers, Mangold in the middle calling the shots, and Brick/studly G on the other side. I like that. Give me a QB who can manage the pocket well and that's an OL that will blow people up in the run game and be more than adequate in the passing game. It's not league-best, but I don't think they'll get there overnight. Fill in that other G spot with an elite NFL player (Iupati) or an elite OL prospect (Collins) and things are looking up, I think. 

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit Yeah I remember you mentioning him in the chat. Was he the guy who moved around their OL? 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@juunit @SackDance99 @Bent @bob I don't disagree.  The Jets have the personnel to play a 4-3 or 3-4, but in either scheme the Jets will need a new weak side OLB.  In any event, LB is a defensive need.

dobermite
dobermite

@juunit "I won't support anything but a 1st round QB"

Mariota and Winston are both likely off the board at #6, so which QB do you have in mind who would not be a massive reach in that spot? I want a QB as much as you do, but we'll probably have to look at drafting one after the first round.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@bob @dobermite @Bent 


Excellent point about the Cowboys Bob!!


Think outside the box. Take the know it all's out of their comfort zone. Make them THINK !!


Bravo - and you're right about the Cowboys who were widely criticized for using 1st round picks on the o-line at center and at guard

hazard2012
hazard2012

@bob @dobermite @Bent


Would you take a Scherff, Stanley or Collins ahead of Mariota or Winston?   I.e...you can have your QB or your OLman, but not both.  Who you picking?  

dobermite
dobermite

@Bent Bent, if its a franchise LT you want, take a closer look at the rSoph from Notre Dame, Ronnie Stanley. Last year Greg Robinson was a rSoph and he went #2 overall, and you could see a similar situation if Stanley declares as expected. This kid is the whole package, size, wingspan, athleticism and strength, all of the tools to be an elite LT in this league, and he stoned some pretty good DL's this year, including Leonard Williams. Take a closer look at him, Bent, IMO he'll be the first OT off the board.

Brendan
Brendan

@bob I was confused by it, if I'm being honest, but I ultimately deferred to Rex because I knew he was infinitely better at picking guys for his defense than I was. 


Sheldon is as fun a football player to watch as any I can remember. It's rare, especially today, that someone loves the game that much. And he's doing all this in a body that is undersized for the roles he plays most of the time. 

bob
bob

@Brendan @bob  Oh man now your talking we be in the playoffs heck even QB would look a little better. Jerry Jones just said after the last 3 years draft he didn't imagine but there so much we can do on offense now of cores they boood the picks and said the the cowboys would be any good this year.

juunit
juunit

@Brendan @juunit 

They all do to a certain extent. I think they've got 8 guys who've played significant snaps on OL this year. 

He's a guard/center though, so there'd be no eventual move to LT from him. But he'd also not be our 1st rounder. 

I'd really love Tretola at guard too if he came out. He's the guy who threw the TD pass. Haven't seen anyone talking about him though, so I think he's going back to school. He'd probably be gone before our 2nd pick anyway. He's a 350 pound gazelle. 

juunit
juunit

@dobermite @juunit 

I'd be comfortable with Hundley at 6. 

I haven't watched enough Greyson, although I'm fairly confident I wouldn't spend a 1st on him. Coming from such a low level of competition he will absolutely need to sit for at least one year. He and Kessler (if he came out) could be options in the 2nd round though. 

juunit
juunit

@bradysucks @bob @dobermite @Bent 

The Frederick pick was widely criticized by people who incorrectly thought Frederick wasn't that good and that it was a reach. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@hazard2012 @bob @dobermite @Bent


I have reservations about both the QBs but would have to do more research before making a commitment.  If I was sold on either QB, that'd be the first place I'd go.

Bent
Bent moderator

@dobermite @Bent


Yeah, I'm aware of him.  I haven't gone that deep yet but there are several nice ones.  Collins is my favorite based on what I've seen so far but that might evolve.

bob
bob

@dobermite @Bent  scouts have him listed a the six best player in all the land. projected to go high in the draft.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @bob


I was virtually predicting it (although I was talking Floyd because I figured Shelly would be gone by then).

bob
bob

@Brendan @bob  Ya I saw those high light reals you posted of Sheldon I was cracking up they where so funny him running over that linemen that was funny

Bent
Bent moderator

@bob @Brendan They only got those guys because someone tackled Jerry Jones so he couldn't pick Johnny Football.

NeedANewGMHCQB
NeedANewGMHCQB

It's a lot easier to sell picking linemen when you have a trio of Romo, Murray and Bryant. Not Geno, ivory and decker.

dobermite
dobermite

@bob Indeed and he'll probably go to the Redskins at #5 

Wait, were you referring to Stanley? 

bob
bob

@brendan @bob 


Hey Brendon Imagine a big stud guard pulling help setting the edge for a guy like Harvin taking out line backers at the second level for the running back resting the d pushing the pile back in the red zone giving the defense a rest. eating up the clock taking over the game In the forth quarter. We have 2 pieces all ready where that close.We need just one more stud

Brendan
Brendan

@bob Dancing Bear? Is he a late round sleeper? 

bob
bob

@Bent @brendan  Dogs barking  got to walk the dog. Having fun today talk to ya when I get back