Read: What Can Be Expected From Mediation

At CBC, Dan Oldfield writes that a key to remember with mediation is that it is non-binding and used to help both sides find common ground on which to build a deal.

He says that the mediators will “attempt to uncover the real needs of the parties — as opposed to the wants — and bring them closer to satisfying those needs.”

Oldfield says that the mediators may never bring the two sides into the same room and that after meeting with both sides to understand what their issues are they will start exploring the different ways that the gap can be bridged.

At ESPN.com Henry Abbott, who writes True Hoop, wrote about mediator George Cohen who is the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service Director.

Cohen was a mediator during the NBA lockout last year.

On what can be expected, Abbott writes “The NBA had its longest days of mediation when Cohen got involved. There is a practical reason for that — the process calls for the the two sides to be separated much of the time, with Cohen shuttling back and forth between them. Progress is slow. However, Cohen is said to have a deliberate tactic of making the days long to make clear that everyone means business, to minimize distractions from interested parties not in the room and to wear down those opposing a deal. After bargaining until 3 a.m. repeatedly, people tend to soften.”


Chris Botta tweeted “Non-binding mediation for NHL and PA will be as useful as the union’s labor board challenges. Killing time til BoG meeting on Dec. 5.”





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lbp44
lbp44

The word "competent" and Geno can not be made in any article.

Bent
Bent moderator

@lbp44  I said "close to competent" though!

t__k
t__k

I'm ready to make my selection at QB.  I'm officially on team Jameis Winston.  My 2nd pick would be the kid from Michigan St. - Cook?


And I'll be just as happy with Mariota.

levi
levi

@a57se haha Well what would you recommend?

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

His play has been pretty scary. I'm really not impressed by either one of these. Right now I expect more Geno type struggles if we pick them.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se

Jameis Winson, QB: -4.9


Breakdown: Just far too many misreads and mistakes down the field for Winston in this one. He had three interceptions on the day, all three the result of forcing throws into coverage. The quarterback was at his best when letting his talent do the work for him and had 56.4% of his yards (226 of 401) come after the catch.

Signature Stat: Winston went 0-8 with a cumulative grade of -2.8 on passes outside the hash marks more than 10 yards down the field.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Haha you somehow worked David Fales into your Jets' QB plan of the future. Bravo. 



levi
levi

@a57se  Might as well stick with Geno then. He looked good.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se I know, I'm just using your strategy of selective game grade posting. 

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@levi @a57se This is like a let's stay together for the kids comment coming from Ike turner.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Yes, and if it was a +5.0 I doubt very much you would have posted it. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se I have been on board with both of them for a while, you've either just today decided to take this stance or you're lying to seem like you haven't been pumping up Winston while talking down Mariota for the past couple weeks. 


Either way, both will be fine, but you keep trying to draw the connection between Mariota and Geno even though they're not terribly similar players. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se They haven't, this is a brand new stance of yours. You've been Team Winston for weeks. 

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@a57se He definitely had a rough first half. Grade is probably fair. That said, this was also one of his worst games of the season. 

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

That was for the most part was good Geno yesterday and still we settled had to settle for 3 over 7.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @johnnyl65


+3.0 including +2.6 for passing, his second best passing grade ever.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @johnnyl65


Yes they do.


+2.6 passing grade isn't that great it just means (basically) he had five more positive plays than negatives.


So if he had 15 positive plays there's still room for 10 negatives.


A great QB will be over +5.0 every week and sometimes threatening double figures.

cippycups
cippycups

I'm just so bummed out about this season. You wait all offseason for it to start and it's been weeks now of waiting till next year

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@hazard2012 @cippycups You can root for us to win, it won't actually change the outcome either way. Not being so engrossed in the game has made it easier to pay attention to individual performances.

hazard2012
hazard2012

@cippycups


Worse still is actually having to root against your own team because losing is now in it's best interests.   It's very hard to do, and I'm terribly conflicted watching the last few games.   Rooting for the horse's arse isn't easy.   

Brendan
Brendan

@Disgruntled Jets Fan The LB who made the play thinks that Geno saw him, but just thought he could throw the ball right over his shoulder. To be fair, the int itself was a nice, athletic play by the LB. 

harold
harold

@Brendan

I think Geno makes those in practice against our terrible coverage backers and thinks he can do it in games (half joking).

He should have hit him in the 2nd window.

But that was a really good play by the backer.  Knocking it was have been a good play.  Picking it made it a very good play.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

Ha! That's a great frame grab, with the guy on the sideline literally pointing out the open receiver.

harold
harold

@Disgruntled Jets Fan

I was jumping up and down as well.  He was wide open.  Not sure how Geno missed that.  It was like he had blinders on.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Disgruntled Jets Fan I was hoping it was Matt Simms or Mike Vick, but it turns out that Simms was standing to the immediate left of McGaughey, just out of shot.  (Maybe he was doing something similar though).

idothis2
idothis2

Cumberland wanted no part of geno leading him into the safety for a td and a big shot

idothis2
idothis2

@a57se @idothis2 i dont know. it looked to me like Cumberland couldve kept going for another 2 yds where geno was leading him and still been safe from the safety who was about 5 yds away. Cumberland pulled up instead of running thru

harold
harold

@idothis

You realize the safety was almost 10 yards away right?

harold
harold

@idothis

Since he was popped last year in Atlanta over the middle he has shown little heart.  I have counted at least four or five throws over the middle this year where he has failed to aggressively attack the ball.  He is soft period.

Brendan
Brendan

@idothis2 I'm not sure that's a good business decision. He's historically not been good at adjusting to passes, and if he still can't do that and won't make the tough grab I don't see many teams lining up for his services. 

idothis2
idothis2

@harold cumberland wouldve paid the price for running thru since the safety was coming at him. the safety looked closer than 10 yds to me, but I dont think cumberland wanted any part of it

Brendan
Brendan

@idothis2 God damn Sheldon is relentless. He tried to put that defense on his back, without his runningmate Wilkerson and nearly pulled it off. I can't praise his effort enough and I'm so happy he's a Jet. 

idothis2
idothis2

@Brendan @idothis2 i wish i didnt see that last play. i was numb for weeks now, but that damn #91 made it hurt

Brendan
Brendan

@idothis2 Lumberland could have definitely made a play for it. Geno could have made a better throw, but it was good enough to get a TD. 

harold
harold

@a57se

That was not a bad throw.  Cumberland ran a lazy route and stopped his feet.  Give blame to the person it belongs to Cumberland.  95% of the starting TE's in the league make that an easy catch. 

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

57 would have had a better argument if Cumby had some sort of history of making competent adjustments to the pass.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  Lumberland still should have caught that pass. His inability to adjust to throws is uncanny. 

t__k
t__k

@a57se @Brendan I think it was a combination.  Poor throw and Cumberland kinda stopped, didn't he?

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se He definitely had a chance. First, he jumps, he always jumps. He jumps before the pass gets thrown sometimes. It's like when you learn to play 1B in baseball, you are taught you don't start your stretch until the ball is released, so you can stretch out and get to balls in any direction. You don't jump for a pass in the NFL until you know you have to. Lumberland was airborne before he knew the trajectory of the ball and limited his catch radius significantly by doing so. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se This is why people grow tired of your antics. 


Tk, harold and myself all see it in some variation of "Cumberland screwed up there," but you're so set on trying to make Geno look terrible you won't allow it. Not even that they both had a hand in it. It wasn't a good throw, but Cumberland also did nothing to make a play on the ball like a good TE would. 

johnsec125
johnsec125

Cumberland is useless. He is as mobile as a side of beef.

harold
harold

@a57se

Cumberland hand placement was poor.  The fact he stopped his feet is a huge no-no and then dropped it although he had both hands on it.  How was the throw 5 ft high when Cumberland did not raise his hands above his shoulders?

Please explain.

Brendan
Brendan

@johnsec125 I've been joking lately that he looks like a guard waddling around out there. 

johnsec125
johnsec125

And a side of beef has better hands....

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Uh...no, that is not what any of us want (well, maybe Harold, I can't speak for him). Saying Geno didn't suck when he didn't suck is just normal, objective analysis. Saying that Lumberland sucks and doesn't make plays for balls is also not fluffing Geno, because that's been Lumberland's MO for almost two seasons now. 

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@Brendan @a57se If you know it was a bad throw then there's no argument. The ball was too high for someone who is 6'5" so whatever Cumby does on that throw doesn't change how Geno looked or not.

Brendan
Brendan

@johnnyl65 I disagree, it was a catchable ball if Cumberland actually knew how to make a play on a football, which he's apparently forgotten how to do. 


I also didn't say it was a "bad" throw. It wasn't good, but was good enough. 

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@Brendan @johnnyl65 If it requires a TE a 30 inch vertical or greater to make a catch it's a bad throw. Cumby has sucked this year but that's not what we're talking about.

Brendan
Brendan

@johnnyl65 ...it didn't require a TE with a 30" vertical. It requires a TE who doesn't leap before the pass is thrown and continues his route like he's supposed to. 

Brendan
Brendan

@johnnyl65 It was slightly high, it was catchable, though. 


Again, it wasn't a perfect pass, which no one here is trying to argue for, but it was a catch that the vast majority of NFL TEs can and should make. You're bigger than the DB's, you use your size and make a play. 

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@Brendan @johnnyl65 Slightly high to a 6'5" wide open receiver. I don't get the Geno defense every receiver has to fully extend and lay out to make a catch even when they have separation. The only time this guy makes a timely throw is on crossing routes over the middle that get the receiver destroyed. I don't get it,as a Jet fan I wan't a better QB two years in and Geno is no better than day one.

Brendan
Brendan

@johnnyl65 He wasn't "wide open," he had a guy right behind him so Geno had to lead him otherwise the defender would've made a play on the ball since Lumberland uses his size as poorly as anyone I can remember watching. Lumberland stopped his route, jumped and the ball went where he should have been. 


It wasn't a good throw, it was a worse route/attempt.