Buzz: A Deal By January 11 Or No Season

In a follow up tweet, he says “NHL told the NHLPA that the drop dead date was January 11th, according to another NHL source.”




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harold
harold

@tsjc68 

I would take him as one of two CB we sign this off season.

harold
harold

@J. Smooth @harold @tsjc68 

Or Chris Culliver or Maxwell etc.  I am open, just have NFL quality guys.  I would love to go into next season with Millner, two of these guys and Marcus Williams, Dex and Walls.

harold
harold

@tsjc68 @harold 

I am not factoring in price right now.  Just level of player.  But I don't suspect we would pay more than 3-4 million per for Cary Williams.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@harold @tsjc68

Even 3M seems like too much for me, but we have a ton of room, so whatevs.

harold
harold

@tsjc68 @harold 

I don't know if he would get less than 3 million.  I am not adverse to paying 10-12 million for our CB situation this off season.  So even if I spend 3 on Cary I can spend 9 per on someone else.


P.S.  Cary is not mine, yours or anyone's 1st-7th choice, (Maybe lower).

tsjc68
tsjc68

@harold @tsjc68

That's my point, basically.  


Cary Williams is like my Dimitri Patterson here, as in "he's better than nothing and could work out, but I'm only taking him with basically no guaranteed money and only after all other options have been exhausted".


If he has a market (which it looks like he does) and would sign quickly (which it looks like he will) than he doesn't make much sense for us, I think.

harold
harold

@tsjc68 @harold 

The only beneift is signing him may give us leverage in later negotiation because FA CB's will know we only have one more contract to hand out.  Could eliminate some level of gamesmanship.

harold
harold

@tsjc68 

Great player once.  He heard the music stop and left the dance floor.  Class act!!

J. Smooth
J. Smooth

@tsjc68 MJD-- You brought my fantasy team to never before seen heights when i drafted you in 2011, and then brought it crashing down in 2012.

Bklyn Dude
Bklyn Dude

ESPN New York expects Percy Harvin to be released unless he agrees to a pay cut.

Harvin is reportedly amenable to a restructure, but not a straight cut. Something is going to happen, as Harvin's non-guaranteed, $10.5 million salary for 2015 is untenable. A resolution is expected by March 19. Currently, the Jets only owe the Seahawks a sixth-rounder for Harvin's services, but that would turn into a fourth rounder if he's still around on March 19. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Bklyn Dude


Did you get that from Rotoworld?

Just seems like - as they tend to do - the lede exaggerates the actual content.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Bklyn Dude @Bent


Let's see how he feels a few days into free agency when all the teams he'd liked to have joined are signing other receivers.

Bklyn Dude
Bklyn Dude

@Bent @Bklyn Dude 

Exactly although there should be some nice sized contracts early on given there are some teams with lots of space.

Too bad Harvin's going to miss the early signing period.

harold
harold

@Bklyn Dude 

I think a restructure is just a pay cut with different language.  As long as he only cost us 7.5 million or less the next 2 to 3 years I am fine.  I would even keep him for one or two years under his current deal.

Tooned In
Tooned In

@harold @Tooned In @Bklyn Dude Injury prone, clubhouse drama with a 10+ million dollar a year contract. There is a ton of wear and tear on his 26 year old body. He is not on the field enough to justify his contract. 


If they cut and resign him for fair market value, I am all for it. If not, then I would rather have the pick.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@harold @Tooned In @Bklyn Dude

The regime change is the variable that makes preserving the cap space and the 4th rounder probably more valuable, all things considered, than a guy who, while dynamic and worthwhile, doesn't really have much capital built in and whom we could jettison without a fan revolt.

harold
harold

@Tooned In @harold @Bklyn Dude 

People who want to cut Harvin because we can't give up a 4th rounder for him are seriously missing it, imo. He is a 26 year old stud. He will likely restructure for 4 years 30 million. 15 million guaranteed. But even if we pay him the non-guaranteed 10 million per for the next 2 seasons I am fine with that. You can still cut him in two years if things go wrong (injuries or attitude) even with the restructure . But if they go well you have a star in his age 27, 28, 29 and 30 seasons. I would say that is a pretty good haul for a 4th rounder.

harold
harold

@tsjc68 @harold @Tooned In @Bklyn Dude 

Your argument while with some merits 68 just seem too cookie cutter for this situation.  Harvin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>4th rounder even with your point above.

The only reason for a discussion is because of the money.  I say it is probably 100% Harvin stays if he adjust his contract.  I say even if he doesn't it is 50/50.   Just not a lot of value in cutting him.   

harold
harold

@Tooned In @harold @Bklyn Dude 

A 4th rounder is nothing for Percy Harvin.  If he restructure or takes a pay cut he stays easily.  He is 26 years old.  I repeat a 26 year stud for a 4th rounder.  This is a great trade for us. 

levi
levi

Im a little surprised Harris is drawing so much interest. Seemed like half this blog didnt want to resign him during the season now everyone wants him back.

juunit
juunit

@levi 

I think the main issue with not bringing him back is the options to replace him aren't great. I think there are some solid later round MLBs, but they're not real likely to be quality starters as rookies. And FA is thin too. 

I'm basically hoping the rumors about Patrick Willis being on the trade block are true.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@juunit @levi

Those rumors are already dying.  Willis and Bowman will be returning.


Michael Wilhoite is on the block, though, and I'm interested.

Bent
Bent moderator

@levi


I'm not.  He has a terrific reputation around the league.


Jets fans are a bit harsh on him for some of his weaknesses and underestimate his worth IMO.

levi
levi

@Bent  Thats about as much praise as I heap on anyone. My workers love me.

harold
harold

@Bent @levi 

I think he is a an average player and as I have said many times very replaceable at this stage of his career. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@J. Smooth @tsjc68 @juunit @levi

3 LB for 2 spots is a good problem to have.  4 LBs is where you need to start looking for potential trades, though, which is why they're keeping Willis, Bowman, and Borland and shopping Wilhoite.

Bent
Bent moderator

@funkymonk 

He's been a decent player, but not sure how much he can have left as he'll turn 35 during the season.

NeedANewGMHCQB
NeedANewGMHCQB

if they hadn't extended kersey, that would probably be a bigger speculative story

njjets
njjets

I'm sure its been discussed before, but why has there been no noise about the Jets and Randall Cobb? Seems to be a "cleaner" alternative to Harvin.

GhostofBrowningNagle
GhostofBrowningNagle

@njjets doesn't randall cobb want ridiculous money?  i think the exact words from someone who posted on this earlier were "randall cobb must be smoking that medicinal"

jsadolph
jsadolph

@GhostofBrowningNagle @njjets 

I have heard from a GB fan that i work with that he is asking Jordy Nelson money.  So it is in the $12 Mil range and I have heard rumers that the Raiders are willing to give $11 mil.

njjets
njjets

@jsadolph @GhostofBrowningNagle @njjets I'm not sure what Harvin is asking for but I think its close enough that it makes the Cobb alternative worth discussing. Cobb is a serious professional without the injury risk Harvin brings. In the same way that Peyton made Decker, Rodgers made Cobb. I think Cobb can excel without Rodgers. 

jsadolph
jsadolph

@njjets @jsadolph @GhostofBrowningNagle 

1,200 yds and 12 tds last year.  Almost exactly Deckers stats his last year with Payton.  So he should get about the same contract.  And personally I like Decker better than Cobb.