Note: It’s All About Hockey Sense

During the live chat that he did with Jeff Gorton on Wednesday, Gordie Clark said that “hockey sense” is the most important quality that he looks for in a player.

When talking about his past, Clark said that most of the mistakes he made when drafting players were because those players lacked “hockey sense” and that “hockey sense” is the most important quality for a player to have to make it in the NHL.

Clark said earlier in the week that the Rangers were looking to draft a player that “competes.”

The Rangers want player who know how to play hockey and has high levels of character. One of the things that Clark talked about with Tim Erixon was how well he saw the ice and reacted to the play. These are the kind of players that you want on your team, especially as it grows toward being a contender.

This is one of those things, like goal scoring, that can’t be taught. A player that has hockey sense has a leg up on a player that doesn’t and should be able to provide a better impact on the ice. The Rangers will do themselves well to stock their team with character players, who have talent, and know how to play the game.

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truth77
truth77

@Jason ZimmermannGood for you Jason,I can tell by the writing that you are a passionate fan!Hopefully someday we will win again and  the dark cloud that has hovered over this Organization for the last 20 or so years will end,  someday we will again see the light!

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

I just want to say one thing: It's not about the amount of games a team wins, it's how much the guys like each other. Like, ya know, you have a guy like Josh Bailey, for example, ya know, he wears #12, he goes out there, skates. He goes forwards, sometimes he's skating backwards out there, other times he'll turn to the left of the right, ya know. And the guys on this team really, really like each other. They get bad bounces, a lot!  And don't forget, they have a lot of solid draft picks coming down the pike waiting in the wings and they're good players. They can shoot and stuff. Some are having good, solid seasons where they are. Some of them are 1st, 2nd, or 3rd stars of the game, sometimes, ya know. It's like, when they get here, it will take some time for them to develop and gel. They'll go out there, give 110% and they'll try really hard to make themselves a part of the team as soon as possible. Then after a few games, they'll start to really feel like part of the team and they'll start to come into their own. They'll wear the colors, they'll have their own number and stuff, they'll get a feel for the puck, and they'll make some rookie mistakes, and they'll learn how to go through as they get more experience. It's about comrade and how their teammates feel about them. Some guys will show the makings of strong leaders, others will get involved with the community, other guys will keep the team loose on the road trips by showing card tricks, family photos, and talking about their first experience with Sparky the Dragon. Once the team gets the new building, and they feel at home in the new building, even though it's closer to the city, and other teams will come in knowing that this young Islanders team is hungry and they want to prove they belong in the NHL, and they have a state of the art building, and they start to gel, and they go out there and skate and do stuff, things will be much better on Long Island. The chemistry will be great, and the guys will really like each other, they'll put in their best effort every game, they'll try to score more goals than the other team. Not every shot will go in, but the young nucleus is going to make every effort to try to score and some of those shots will go in. The blue line is young and promising and they try to do everything they can to make an effort to stop the other team's goal scorers, and they'll score sometimes, but these Islanders know that every guy is putting int an effort, and as long as they can leave the ice knowing that the guy next to them is a good guy, things will be fine. It's going to be fine, guys. The future looks bright.

orange2327
orange2327

Prospects prospects!! Like joensuu/ulstrom/koskinen/kabanov/petrov/etc etc etc!! Blah blah !! Come up with something better to defend this disfunctional c**pfest!!

orange2327
orange2327

Oh for Pete's sake stop touting how many '' prospects" we have in Bridgeport and elsewhere!! Its all BS Under this regime!! Many of them will never come to fruition you know it too! Please stop the madness!! Wang must sell to people who are genuine about building a truly competitive team much less a winner!!

TonyM
TonyM

 If we lose tomorrow we will  probaly go  0 for4 this week with the Rangers, Penquins and Blues coming up. Too much dead wood on this team, Amac, Cmac,Grabner and Bailey!  Should have pulled Poulin after the first period but in Capuano's defense Nillson isn't any better! This season was lost in the summer when Snow did not acquire a #1 goalie! Nabokov is 37 and coming off a terrible seris against the Penquins but is resigned when Khuodobin, Scneider and Bernier were available! Snow then knowing the #1 priority was in goal and on defense trades for Vanek who is UFA! Snow's a clown who makes Milbury look like Bill Torrey! But he's Wangs lap dog so us fans have to put up with this mediocrity! Wang please sell the team!

shlo
shlo

@Jason ZimmermannI am dizzy now.  I am ok with your last sentence "The future looks bright."

kevinpt
kevinpt

@Jason Zimmermann Serious question, why are you a fan of the team? It just seems like you hate them. And please spare us the response where you pretend like you weren't being sarcastic and for once, actually indulge me in a somewhat serious discussion. 

dzruggie
dzruggie

@orange2327 I'm not sure what your perspective or expectation actually is?  Where is the bar?  What exactly would have you change your mind?  Are you expecting that 2-3 per draft impact the NHL roster - and if so, how soon?  7 years into the rebuild and the emphasis on defense was not until the last 2 drafts.  I think we all know D take a little longer to develop (unless you have an incredible D core and you can cover for their mistakes - see Dougie Hamilton - Bruins).  Also home town view on prospects is much higher than say other markets looking in, that said the Islanders still rank top 5 in the NHL...not sure what you expect.  

shlo
shlo

@orange2327That's the name of the game. That's what "prospect" means. You think that someone may be a good player or may answer your team's needs  going forward , you draft him.

In the early stage of the draft you get the "better bets" sometime a "sure thing" as for the rest, you roll the dice and hope. 

Most of them don't amount to anything, they stay in the AHL or just disappear. We have been there before. We'll be there again. If you expect every draft pick from round 1 to 7 to be a superstar  -it does not work like that.  I don't have the stats and I really don't care, I am sure someone  can dig it out and tell you how many out of the 210 of or so kids drafted each year make it to the NHL to begin with, become impact player is something else.

dkdk
dkdk

3-4 years ago we reading the same about those guys that we see about mayfield, Pulock, Lee, and company today.

Let's hope this group reverses trend but if it doesn't make people leery they haven't been paying attention.

rmreturns
rmreturns

Orange- your reasoning makes little sense. Review the bruins roster- most of those star players were Bruins prospects, those prospects were once Bruin draft picks.

The Bruins were built through the draft, developed by the Franchise, and signed long term by ownership.

The Isles are following the same path on player development. Please don't mention " sell" or any aspect of economics- it's embarrassing..

vvmayshays
vvmayshays

@orange2327 

Every single good player was once a prospect.  The more prospects you have,  the better  a team scouts and  develops youth is highly indicative of which team will be better than the other.  Just because the Islanders drafted poorly for so long does not mean that draft picks and prospects are not important.  It is actually the most important part of an organization... you know bringing in new talent...

dkdk
dkdk

Kevin, serious question why do you care who is a fan of the team or what led them to being one? All of the lovers of wang love to judge and qualify who can and can't be fans when those critical usually are lergely very supportive of most of the players they just hate the owner (and if there isn't enough evidence as to why then ......)

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

@kevinpt @Jason Zimmermann I'm glad people are bigger fans than me. It assures me that I have some semblance of a sound mind. I rest easily after a loss, largely because it didn't throw my mind and body into shock.

Zee Executioner
Zee Executioner

Kevinpt You are humorless. Why are you a fan of the team?

Oh yes. This is the place where we must have a SERIOUS discussion because we are curing cancer here. I forgot. We're not just talking about a crappy team that's been a moribund org. For 20 years. Sorry, there.

You have found a cure?

orange2327
orange2327

Dude the bruins are a real organization the isles are a joke!! I say this with no glee whatsoever!!

dkdk
dkdk

Hey shlo .... That is a very logical post, thank you! My POV is that unlike what you just stated when the people that are constantly playing twister with themselves defending wang and snow they throw out all of the names of the prospect and talk about them like they are all stars already. You have to have seen people posting what the blue line will look like in 2 years and basically say you can't bring in anyone from the outside because there is no room for them. Fact is there is nearly as good a chance of Reinhart being average to poor as it is him being an all star.

jepliberty
jepliberty

@rmreturns

BS, Out of the entire Bruin roster of 26 players, only 8, got that 8 are Bruin draftees, so stop making up data to fit your agenda. These players were not drafted by the Bruins...

Campbell

Eriksson

Iginla

Kelly

Paille

Savard

Smith

Soderberg

Thornton

Bartkowski

Boychuk

Chara

Krug

McQuaid

Millar

Seidenberg

And both goalies

Rask

Johnson, PS make sue brain is in gear before posting BS like that.

orange2327
orange2327

That would be true if the isles were a real organization and not just an instrument in wang's crooked real estate fiefdom!!

dkdk
dkdk

You ever hear John Mayer? Every song is repeating the same line 411 times ... Say what you need to say, say what you need to say, say what you need to say.

Maybe I am confused and if so my apologies but there is someone on every thread for a week asking orange why he roots for the team.

Either way no disrespect intended I just have a pet peeve when people are asking why people follow the team. I think I can sum up for many of us 40 years is a tough habit to break. And we love the players and the jersey. And one day, one glorious day, there will be a new owner who will install a new GM and an NHL coach. Ahhhhh one day.

kevinpt
kevinpt

@dkdk 

I NEVER told anyone to not be a fan. I simply asked a question purely out of curiosity. Geez. 

kevinpt
kevinpt

@dkdk 

As many times? I think that's the second time.

And a John Mayer song? That makes no sense.

dkdk
dkdk

As many times as you ask the question Kevin it confuses me, your posts read like a John Mayer song.

kevinpt
kevinpt

@dkdk 


For the record, I was just curious to see what his answer would be. I was in no way saying that someone should or shouldn't be a fan of the team.

jepliberty
jepliberty

@dzruggie

Sure it is probably much better to keep an open mind, while debating whether or not this team is moving in the right direction, however what ever animosity towards each other, as all are fans was brought about by 1 person, that person has a history perhaps as sordid as has been suggested, that person is Charles Wang, a millionaire who perhaps bought this team to further his wealth, and really wasn't that comfortable in giving those big contracts out, but felt he had to do it for all to think he is a benefactor, and caring owner as suggested by none other then Gary Bettman, but remember an open mind shouldn't be so far open, that the brains drip out onto the floor, the word fan is short for fanatic, and all should be welcomed to espouse their views without the rancor, and insulting diatribe from those who believe one way, and not the other, imo

rmreturns
rmreturns

Wow- actually shamwow I just don't suffer fools lightly.

Let me clarify... The isles are a top scoring team in the Eastern Conference- so blasting a 24 year old forward for a rough season is silly. Off course, I'm writing about last year- that forward is Kyle O. Or it could be this year, my point is you don't sweat scoring when your in the top 5. Blasting Bailey is a fools errand- the same folks were blasting KO last season. Lession not learned.

You sweat the defense when your in the bottom 5. But when 2/3 of your starting defenders don't have 100 starts, and 1/3 of your starting defenders don't 40 starts, well you should adjust your expectations accordingly.

The drivel about upgrading the goaltending is comedy. Ben Bishop is having an excellent season, as are a few other goalies that changed teams. NONE of them fetched a high price in the off season. Does that make the GM who sold them stupid for getting such a low price? Does that the other 28 GM's who passed on these guys poor because they didn't see it coming?

And of course, my favorite, money. I have never met so many people unwilling to spend $20 to buy a stranger a beer, but intolerant of an owner unwilling to lose tens of millions of dollars annually- and demanding he spend more money with no hope of getting it back.

Nice term propagandist. But I suggest you " walk two moons" in shoes of a man before judging his decisions.

It's easy to critic a failure to spend, when it's not your money burning up. It's easy to critic the play of guys who don't have 1 NHL season on their skates, but by every outside account, have huge talent and should be successful players. It's foolish to complain about scoring of a single forward, when the team was far above league average- and far below league average in team defense. And that forward is considered an excellent defensive player.

Ignore the tree- see the forest. It is a young team, gaining experience the only way possible. Experience comes from making bad decisions.

Wang is rumored to be a lot of things. It has no bearing on the Performance of the team( this is an Isles site, not a Wang site). He has never been arrested or charged. The rest is wash woman gossip best whispered on something other then a HOCKEY site.

rmreturns
rmreturns

@dz .... Let me simplify then ... Why does ANYONE feel the need to tell someone to root somewhere else or ask why they are a fan.

Oh, that's easy... Because being a fan of a team should be FUN... And you treat it like a burden. If the Franchise has been awful for 20 years, and hate everything about it- find something else. Because reading a constant stream of " everything is awful...." makes clear your not enjoying yourself...

shamwow
shamwow

@dzruggie

But you can and must fault him (Chuck Wang) for being a liar and a thief; and if not, lest you too be consumed by the never ending fraud.

shamwow
shamwow

@dkdk

I'll state the obvious, DK: it's just another form of, "Sit down, and shut up"... a tactic employed to silence and stigmatize dissent - a subtle form of censorship.

Some, like RM, belittle and dismiss - the trademark of any propagandist is not to defeat an opposing argument but to diminish and deny opposition itself by posturing as the Templar of truth and advancing lies in effort of establishing an accepted orthodoxy.

dkdk
dkdk

I don't know dz ... There is lot coming from you directly at me this week so if there is no intent there is no intent but ....

dzruggie
dzruggie

@dkdk Well I said you but did not mean to imply only you....obviously both ends of the spectrum.  Anyway.....

dkdk
dkdk

@dz .... Let me simplify then ... Why does ANYONE feel the need to tell someone to root somewhere else or ask why they are a fan.

Each perspective may be diametrically opposite of the other but anyone posting here regularly is clearly a die hard that cares a lot about the team. Who is Kevin or anyone else to tell another or at least suggest they should stop watching hockey or root for another team.

Lastly there is really no grey in my book when it comes to wang. Is there grey with Bailey, prospects, etc, sure. Wang no.

dzruggie
dzruggie

@dkdk DK you keep going to this division of people who supposedly love Wang and those who do not.  I know I was blasting you for being too black and white but this is a good example.  In a simple black and white process I must come across as a Wang lover but it is just too simple and not true.  Understand each person here should see and know this whole Lighthouse charade was never about the Islanders, nor was his purchase in the first place.  It was about a real estate deal that happened to house a hockey team.  Can;t fault a billionaire for wanting to be a trillionaire I suppose, it is capitalism.  However I also see at times, when it is right, Wang did do positive things for this franchise.  Wise or not he spent a lot of money at the beginning on Yashin, Peca and DP, he invested money into the county owned facility and since I do not read the financial books and I am just quoting what is been written, apparently has been taken a financial loss year over year.  My point is a fan can see all of the details and pick the good from the bad without having to be classified.  I for one am bought into Snows rebuild plan in spite of the slow tempo it has taken yet for me I would fire him if he does not sign Vanek..... All I am saying is keep a little bit more of an open mind when you try to pin an agenda on some of the fans here....

shlo
shlo

@since72  A politician said : As long as people are complaining about the situation , I am OK with it. When they start making jokes about it - I am worried.

since72
since72

@Jason Zimmermann Jason, humor is all part of it.  The organization has brought it all upon itself.  Things will turn around at some point, but for now it's all fair game!  Better than the usual "Snow sucks", "fire Cappy" and "please sell Wang" from some of our Islander brethren.

kevinpt
kevinpt

@Zee Executioner 

Yes, you know me so well to say that I'm humorless. It was a simple question. I never said it has to be a serious discussion. But I am just curious as to why people are still fans of a team they seem to hate. 

dkdk
dkdk

And for the record I have no issue with the picks that we gave up for Vanek I have issue with the fact Vanek won't sign here and we probably won't trade him to recoup anything.

dkdk
dkdk

Rm ... Wasn't niño also a top 5 pick? Didn't we hold the 5th pick when we got Bailey? Haven't you posted the failures of many top 5 picks in the last 3-4 drafts?

I mean I know you were spinning for snow and wang, keep it rolling, and by all means keep contradicting yourself. It never does get old.

rmreturns
rmreturns

Reinhart has a far better chance of being excellent, then being average to poor. It's the reason he was a top 5 pick.

Your opinion makes little sense if your gonna lament the trading if two picks for Thomas Vanek- since you hold the chances of success of even high first rd picks as no better then 50-50.

While I respectfully disagree with your opinion, the lack of consistency in your reasoning is appalling.

dkdk
dkdk

No thanks again shlo ... This post relly made feel better! Seriously.

dkdk
dkdk

He is the least involved when it comes to writing payroll checks.

rmreturns
rmreturns

Orange- in the end it's about Wang? If you hate the owner, find another team. He might be one of the least involved owners in the NHL.. Your march to discrediting yourself with every post continues..