Buzz: Oilers Offered Derek Boogaard More Money

According to Larry Brooks in the NY Post, the Edmonton Oilers offered Derek Boogaard $7 million dollars over four years. The Rangers signed Boogaard for four years at $6.6 million.

…What a deal they got…..

Brooks also notes that Glen Sather chose the Boogey Man over Jody Shelley because of their respective ages and that Boogaard is training for next season in Russia with Pavel Datsyuk.

…Seems a little excessive to do that, but training with one of the best players in the National Hockey League is a great idea for him. Why it has to happen in Russia when there are so many great players who train here is confusing, but that is certainly a good thing.

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Mike
Mike

The list of first basemen under six feet tall is bleak. Many went on to play other positions.  http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1200

Then again, Dustin Pedroia isn't tall enough to reach the peanut butter in his cabinet and he didn't turn out too bad. Different position, but if Dominic can keep an OPS over 750 , I would be pretty happy. Looking forward to hearing him progress in Savannah through your reports, Toby.

matt520
matt520

I absolutely love Smith's swing, so smooth and generates good power. I am too young to have seen him play in his prime but his swing has a bit of Darryl Strawberry to it.


I think you did a great breakdown of your concerns based on Smith's height. If he never generates the power that we, as Met fans hope he does, does he have the floor of a player like James Loney? Above average D, hitter near or over .300, with a no more then 15 bombs a year. Or, does Smith have some serious bust potential; in your opinion?


Sylvan Migdal
Sylvan Migdal

I understand why you're skeptical, but I'm not sure what to make of all this analysis about short first-baseman. Just being a member of a rare group doesn't mean you're at a disadvantage.


Maybe if you compared short first-basemen who were top prospects to tall first-basemen who were top prospects and found out whether the short ones had less success?

Toby Hyde
Toby Hyde moderator

@Sylvan Migdal  Well, if one class, 1B above 6'1" has more successful members than another, 1B 6'0" and below, yes, the second group is fighting longer odds. You're right, I could do a control group and look at past top prospect lists. The point here is pretty simple: successful 6'0" 1B are pretty unusual. But the guys that can pull it off tend to be really good.   

Sylvan Migdal
Sylvan Migdal

@Toby Hyde Well, we know as a general matter that being taller than the average person is helpful for most baseball skills, so in that sense, Smith is "fighting longer odds".

But the scouting reports are the scouting reports, and the scouts know how tall Smith is. Whatever disadvantage he may have should be already baked into the evaluations, the power projections, etc.

As far as I know, the minor leagues are not littered with zillions of former top prospects who failed because they were short first-basemen. In that sense, Smith has already overcome the odds, by being so impressive as to be considered a top prospect despite lacking typical 1B size.

So that leaves three height-related possibilities: 

1. The consensus is right about Smith.

2. Scouts are underrating him because they're even more biased against short first-basemen than they ought to be.

3. Scouts are overrating him because the odds against a short 1B having success are even worse than they realize.

If you want to talk about Smith's height, that, to me, is the crucial question.

Andrew Waldron
Andrew Waldron

Are we to assume Smith will not grow an inch or two? I thought men normally stop gaining in height at around 21?

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@Sylvan Migdal The fighting longer odds really revolves around 1st base only, and then his not-prototypical height.


1st off most people are 1st base only position out of high school when they are drafted. That is an uphill battle for him already. 2nd he saying he's not a Big monster where you just have power potential as say Lucas Duda. Sure he's already probably a more prolific pure hitter with his swing, but if he doesn't translate to 20+ HR power, he'll probably not find himself a long term home in the majors. 


Now for me I'd much rather someone like Smith as opposed to say like Courtney Hawkins, who's Big and Strong and hit hit the ball a MILE, but can't actually hit the ball consistently enough. I much rather see if the one thing develops (Power) and know that the approach and hit tools are already there.

Toby Hyde
Toby Hyde moderator

@Andrew Waldron  Nope. Most men stop growing at 18. Some keep growing until age 21. Some reach full height by 15. 

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