Buzz: Disputes Over How Much The Rangers Offered Michael Del Zotto Before The Lockout

Back in June, it was reported that the Rangers were looking to bring Michael Del Zotto back on a two-year deal that would pay him between $1.75 and $2.25 million.

In August, it was reported that the Rangers offered Del Zotto a deal worth $2.2 million and $2.5 million per season.

In September it was reported that the Rangers biggest offer for Del Zotto was a multi-year deal that paid him $2.5 million per season.

In the NY Times, Jeff Klein spoke with Del Zotto’s agent who said that the reports of those offers being made to Del Zotto were “erroneous.”

Glen Sather said of Del Zotto that he would “come to his senses” at some point and that the Rangers won’t negotiate against themselves.




61 comments
bharper42
bharper42

It's just what i feel i need to do.  I don't know why or even what a qb is just that i need to start geno.  Now if I can only figure out this offense thing?


Rex Ryan

nagel100
nagel100

of course you want to start Geno.


we are tanking right?

a57se
a57se

They were watching the Mutant Ninja Turtles Rex!

Justin Schaefer
Justin Schaefer

Its too late for Wrecks to backtrack now, so what else is he going to say? Just 3 weeks ago he was on tape speaking to a ref saying how Geno would be a top 10 QB this year. "Mark my words!" He is so far off, so delusional that it's not even funny. How can a man immersed in football since his birth be so wrong about the talent around him? MISPLACED ARROGANCE...get this clod out of NY!

Keith Carcaterra
Keith Carcaterra

OFFENSE: please,please,PLEASE,just run a "normal" Offense and either HAND OFF or PASS the ball! No Wildcat,no end around passes or ANYTHING LIKE that!

benmoz
benmoz

Here's a wild idea! Instead of doing everything possible to screw Geno up, why don't we build AROUND him?


He clearly has the physical talent, and you don't just abandon that after barely a season and a half. You guys watched the game in San Diego, every time he took his fifth step, there was 2 pass rushers in his face. We have seen him do well when given time in the pocket. 



So we need to make the offensive line better at PASS PROTECTING. What's the point of bringing Giacomini here if we are going to run the ball sporadically, and frankly, like @#$%.


It doesn't look like there will be many good free agent corners besides Flowers, so unless we get him, we should draft another corner in the first round, there are a bunch of good ones this year. 


Either that, and sign one more top receiver like Dez Bryant or Randall Cobb,  or draft Amari Cooper. If people are expecting Smith to progress and turn into a top QB, then we need to surround him with TOP weapons.



Look at the weapons that Brees, Wilson, Kaepernick,  Manning, Stafford, Rogers have. I could go on. 



The same exact thing is going to happen to every quarterback we draft unless we make the team around him better. Mariota, Petty, whoever, those guys are not Andrew Luck or Peyton straight up. With no weapons around them it won't matter how good they are anyway. And in another year all the stupid fans are going to run them out of town as well, because people have not patience here. 


bob
bob

I just woke up guys. I got knock out in San Diago sunday..When I woke up I was thinking maybe we can win one for the Gipper.  What do you guyds think ya wanna win one for the Gipper, In sundays game against the Broncos . I would really like to get me a Touch down . So what do you think guys You think maybe I can get a touch down.

J. Smooth
J. Smooth

My newfound hope, as I just realized and fell in love with just now, is that if Rex gets fired, Woody pulls the ultimate F-U and hires Rob.

GhostofBrowningNagle
GhostofBrowningNagle

no reason not to start Geno.  Vick is not the future.  Geno probably isn't either, but this season is lost anyways so may as well see if Geno shows ANYTHING this season before drafting his replacement next year.

at this point i would treat Vick like a back up NHL goalie: put him in if (when) smith is having a terrible game, but continue to start Smith otherwise.  



danny257
danny257

So what is the point from building your teams from the draft, if the percentages of developing or drafting a good player are slim too to none??? 

danny257
danny257

Idzik had twelve draft picks this past year. I truly believed that we were going to  get at least six good players. I can't believe he screwed it up. Shame on him.  

buddyryan
buddyryan

Headline should read Idzik is sticking with Geno

danny257
danny257

It's not about the talent around him,that's non sense. Geno does not see the field, period. That is it. Corners aren't allowed to touch anymore and it's a passing league, watch the coaches film on NFL rewind and you will always see someone open and Geno fails to see the field. He has poor recognition skills. 

danny257
danny257

I"m sorry to see Ryan get fired this season, It stinks that we have start over again. Hopefully we can land a QB in the draft because it is not happening with Geno. I'm sick and tired of his apologies and excuse making.

Joe Ellis
Joe Ellis

Too early to pull the plug on a sophomore QB with at best average talent around him.

Mike Milea
Mike Milea

In games that Geno runs for 20+ yards he is 5-3. In games that he runs -20 yards he is 2-10. You think they might tell him to take of with the ball more, no?

bharper42
bharper42

@Keith Carcaterra i'm glad someone mentioned the end around.  Seattle does it with harvin with a certain formation and lets him run in front of the qb and he gains yards.  


Rex and MM run it by bringing the WR in formation and then making him run all the way around geno 10 yds deep thus creating very limited potential for success.


even the gimmicks they run is High schoolish on offense.


ponderous man simply ponderous.

Bent
Bent moderator

@benmoz


"What's the point of bringing Giacomini here if we are going to run the ball sporadically, and frankly, like @#$%."


The Jets are 6th in the league in rushing, 9th in carries and 7th in average, so neither of these complaints hold up.  Giacomini isn't just a run blocker either.  He doesn't give up a lot of sacks (none so far this year).  He might give up some pressure but only at a similar rate to Austin Howard.


Smith does a poor job of recognizing where the blitz is coming from and getting rid of the ball in a timely fashion.  The line is doing an adequate job and are no worse than average in pass protection so far this year.


Only two sacks, 11 hits and 36 pressures are attributable to linemen getting beat so far this season.  That means 10 sacks, eight hits and 22 pressures are attributable to unblocked rushers, coverage sacks, the quarterback holding the ball too long or a tight end or back getting beat rather than a lineman.

LRJets
LRJets

@benmoz


George Costanza:  Every instinct I ever had was wrong.  I'll just do the opposite of what I think.

Jerry Seinfeld:  This way every decision will be the right one.

will898
will898

Pass protection was not the issue in the 1st four games.

will898
will898

Geno may have the physical traits to be a QB. But he doesn't have the smarts and focus. Marty has to dummy down the playbook. Opponents know that Geno only focuses on his primary receiver and can't get through his progressions. There are open receivers open but Geno doesn't see them.

Geno also doesn't have the consistent focus that the franchise QBs have. He doesn't finish plays. That leads to bad plays.

He may have the physical traits, but a lot of failed QBs in the NFL had the physical traits.

bob
bob

@benmoz 

Get Mike Lupati guard free angent from SF. Draft Amari Cooper he's another Sammy Watkins

McGeorge
McGeorge

@danny257 Then get a new GM.  Other teams manage to draft good players.

HarthorneWingoStarr
HarthorneWingoStarr

@danny257 Pretty much every football personnel man I've ever heard talk on the subject has said it takes at least 3 years to properly evaluate a draft. And you've managed to make your assessment 5 games into the season?!!? Impressive...

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

@danny257 You thought we would get six good players when only six of the 12 picks were before the 6th round? Really? Did you think he'd go six for six or that he'd get a good player in the 6th round? sigh

Joe Ellis
Joe Ellis

@danny257 Give me a list of teams over the past 25 years who have had 6 good rookies on their roster 5 games into their rookie season.

Joe Ellis
Joe Ellis

@danny257 Manning Brees or Rodgers wouldn't do much better with this cast. Look at their game film and you will see they also miss wide open options. It happens to every QB and a little more for a kid with just 21 starts.

Joe Ellis
Joe Ellis

@danny257 Geno is 9-12 as a starter with very little talent around him. He is far from a Curtis Painter so drafting another QB 2 years after Geno will only provide the same results or maybe worse if O talent doesn't improve.

LRJets
LRJets

@Mike Milea

I think Rex told Geno to use his legs more. Or was that last week?

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Mike Milea 


Well Geno has the weakest receiving group in the NFL to work with because of John Idzik....


We were always a Decker injury away from disaster.....


So it isn't much of a surprise that when Geno throws the ball that bad things happen...


You're right - he should run more.....but it is unheard for a GM  to draft a QB  and then give him such weak wide receivers.....The goal is to develop the young QB....and instead John Idzik surrounds his young QB with below average talent other than Decker and Kerley....and even Decker and Kerley are #2 receivers at best....Kerley is really a #3

bharper42
bharper42

@Bent @benmoz bent are you analyzing the same games we're watching?  The sacks aren't coming because geno is able to run away from a lot of them.  This Ol is horrid this year.

Justin Schaefer
Justin Schaefer

@will898 Hodge was stating this last week before the game...even when they dumb the plays down...Smith STILL makes the wrong reads, has been that way since WV. You can't have an unintelligent QB in the NFL...but can our moronic HC see that? Nah.

a57se
a57se

@DarrolRayFanClub @danny257 

7 of the picks were before the 6th round...

1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3 4th's and a 5th

marcus81
marcus81

@Joe Ellis @danny257 Giants in 2006 had all the rookies contribute to their SB win, it can be done but it's hardly done

LRJets
LRJets

@Joe Ellis @danny257


Troy Aikman and Peyton had disasterous records in their first 20 games. Hoping Geno follows suit .  Theirs.

Mike Milea
Mike Milea

@bradysucks Which is why I have no idea what Idzik's plan is. I feel like any other GM would have seen what Rex did with his '13 team and how he managed that team to an 8-8 year, you would think that our GM would spend a little money to get some solid talent and see if Rex can do better than 8-8... Instead we got one of the most upsetting drafts I think we've had in a while, an injured Eric Decker, a washed up Chris Johnson... No help on the O-Line, No help for our CB's and no depth at WR. We have a coach that can start a 7th round safety that used to play LB in college as our #1 CB and have the 4th best defense in the league... and thats the guy that fingers are being pointed at? Thats BS, Rex has been set up to fail and be fired and its pissing me off.

Bent
Bent moderator

@bharper42 @Bent @benmoz


The pressure which he is running away from is attributable in large part to the things I identified above (unblocked rushers, coverage sacks, the quarterback holding the ball too long or a tight end or back getting beat rather than a lineman).


It's the same every year, the QB has some bad games where he was under pressure a lot and everyone says the OL is terrible.  However when you watch the game in as much detail is I do - and, crucially, watch other teams in the same detail to gain perspective - you realize what's really going on.


An offensive lineman should be judged on how often (or seldom, if you prefer) they get beaten and then how badly they get beaten when they do.  In those regards the Jets offensive line has been average at worst this season.

marcus81
marcus81

@MikeFrancesser they would do better than Geno but would still struggle, this offense is not well run period, losing Austin and Winters not coming along messes up this O line

Joe Ellis
Joe Ellis

@LRJets Exactly. Good QBs are hard to find. Giving up after a year or 2 would be a never ending battle. Make an investment and give it a few years to unfold.

danny257
danny257

@LRJets I hope he turns out great. Really...But if they only win four games....you know all eyes will be on that QB from Oregon.

MikeFrancesser
MikeFrancesser

They would not struggle. That's just silly. People underestimate just how bad Geno is.

MikeFrancesser
MikeFrancesser

Said qb needs to give the team a reason to make an extended investment. Geno doesn't do anything well.