Note: John Tortorella Would Rather His Players Not Play In Europe

Following the lockout of 2004-05 that canceled the entire season, John Tortorella, of the defending Stanley Cup champion Tampa Bay Lightning, told the St. Petersburg times that he was concerned with how his players would react to playing again in the NHL.

Tortorella expressed concern over the players that went to play in Europe, saying “I think we are going to be full of bad habits. I think that guys that played overseas and I don’t mind saying it at all, I think it’s awful hockey. I think the guys who played over there for six months will have more bad habits than the guys who played three on three in Brandon all winter long.”

Torts added “there’s no hitting. It’s almost a love-fest over there as far as competing and that has to change and it’s going to change right away. We have a lot of work to do.”




266 comments
Premo
Premo

I have to say I think Idzick has a plan and I don't think AJ is in that plan .. Jet's are building something not in SB contention so a 33 yr old expensive WR doesn't really makes sense right now 

jetsfan14
jetsfan14

Trade for Johnson? Have a Johnson & Johnson offense to give Woody a Woody? Sounds great. But it won't ever happen. Too high a price-tag. Nice dream, though.

bob
bob

I'll tell you how this works guys..The players at practice every day when its all said and done will know who the best Quarter back is on the team, And that my boy is how its done.


Oh I almost forgot.


Thank you............ Thank you.......Thank you very much.





a57se
a57se

250 comments and counting on something that is not going to happen.....welcome to long, boring days waiting for real Football news!

williamg1
williamg1

This is another one of those stories where people will argue that this move makes so much sense.


And when it doesn't happen (and people complain that Idzik didn't pull the trigger) those same people will then argue that, of course, it didn't make sense to trade for AJ. 

idothis2
idothis2

when did the jets become the vehicle for leverage in contract negotiations or player/FO standoffs

knick4life
knick4life

The one thing I like about this move is it gives Geno an established NFL wide receiver to throw to other than Decker on the outside. Looked like Geno lost faith in Hill early in the season (before the injury) and his best receiver last year was David Nelson.  Getting an established veteran to serve as the #1 receiver for a couple of years, along with Decker as a #2 (rather than all the kids they just drafted) I think would be gold for Geno's development and good injury insurance.


Now stop bashing the Knicks, there is a whole TKB dedicated to that. 

harvlis
harvlis

This can't happen, because we are Jets fans and we are destined to suffer. 

williamg1
williamg1

@a57se Actually, there is big news today: Revis is so easy to beat, we'll use Mangold at WR. 



idothis2
idothis2

@williamg1 i think i'm on the thumbs down side to making a play for AJ. for all the gaudy numbers he puts up he doesnt strike me as a big game player like Boldin

tsjc68
tsjc68

@williamg1


For the record, I've stated on this very thread that there are good reasons to make the move and good reasons to not make the move, so I'm fine with whatever happens.

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1 Don't go to that place with this, man. Just because people disagree on AJ's future doesn't mean you to paint broadstrokes and passive-aggressively insult us. 


AJ would help the Jets, considerably. He'd also cost a lot of money and likely a draft pick (or more). It's okay and understandable if Idzik doesn't trade for him, but it's equally understandable if he gets a good value in a trade and does it. 


That's my stance (and the stance of most people talking up a potential trade in here). Don't mischaracterize us like that, that's unnecessary. 

williamg1
williamg1

@knick4life I will stop bashing the Knicks when the NBA votes to strip Dolan of ownership. 

williamg1
williamg1

@tsjc68 @williamg1 I'm fine with it, too. Actually, the possibility of grabbing him excites me. At the same time, if we don't get him, life goes on. 

I just don't see Idzik doing it. 

knick4life
knick4life

@Brendan @williamg1  I agree.  I'm somewhere in the middle.  AJ would be a huge plus to the offense, but with this team not in SB contention is it worth the cost? 


The only real reason I see for doing it is to help Geno's development. 

williamg1
williamg1

@Brendan @williamg1 I hear you. 


Lets see if Idzik makes this move. Then lets see what the reaction is around here. 

idothis2
idothis2

@tsjc68 he's good. just dont think he's a trade for a 33 year old 10+ mil good consideration

tsjc68
tsjc68

@idothis2 @Bent

The various iterations of your leeriness seem like a conclusion in search of a question.


Andre Johnson is a really, really, really good WR.  That some of his production has come on bad teams or that he's just "really good" instead of "dominant" in playoff games are tiny nitpicks that shouldn't be used to obscure the fact that he's really, really, really, really good at playing WR.


When the Texans sucked, Andre Johnson was good.  When the Texans were winning, Andre Johnson was good.  When they lost big games, he was good.  When they won big games, he was good.


In summary:  Andre Johnson is good.

idothis2
idothis2

@Bent i'm leery of the guy that has monster numbers on a losing team that scored less points than the Jets "putrid" offense

tsjc68
tsjc68

@idothis2 That's a pretty accurate description of Andre Johnson's posteason experiences.

idothis2
idothis2

@tsjc68 his situation reminds me of the one skilled kid on the playground that is doubled, tripled, or quadrupled covered and the qb still throws him the ball for lack of secondary options. he will still have good numbers even though his team loses

tsjc68
tsjc68

@idothis2 It's not that the QB was forcing the ball to him for lack of secondary options, it's that the defense was doubling him for lack of fear of secondary options.


And even despite being doubled, he still produced offense.

idothis2
idothis2

@tsjc68 then how can we truly measure the value of his productivity if the qb was forcing him the ball for lack of secondary options.

Bent
Bent moderator

@idothis2 @tsjc68 Extrapolates to 100 catches and over 1,400 yards ... and that's against exclusively playoff level competition.


If you watched AJ last year, he was "pretty decent but not dominating" most weeks.  However, by the end of the season he had monster numbers, I guess because he's so consistent.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@idothis2 @tsjc68 You also have to consider the teammates he was playing with in those games.  Both the guys throwing him the ball and the lack of secondary options around him.

Brendan
Brendan

@idothis2 Keep in mind that 2011's playoff games had TJ Yates as the Texans QB. Who? Exxxxactly. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@idothis2 @tsjc68 @Brendan As he's a converted tackle too (and a small school one to boot) I think we can expect a learning curve.  Winters was set back by an ankle injury in preseason though.  Hopefully Dozier can stay healthy and approach competence sooner.

Bent
Bent moderator

@tsjc68 @Bent @Brendan  While that might look like what they did with the benefit of hindsight, that was really a fallback plan that they kind of lucked into.  This is the other way round.


And Flynn played himself out of the lineup by being bad as much as Wilson won the job by being good.

idothis2
idothis2

@tsjc68 @Brendan does dozier project to be better than winters initially or is it likely he has the same or worse growing pains if he is pressed into action early?

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @tsjc68 @Brendan


Counterpoint:  Trade for Matt Flynn, draft Russell Wilson, and then throw Matt Flynn in the garbage can if Wilson is as good as you think he might be.

Bent
Bent moderator

@tsjc68 @Brendan The plan was obviously Winters-Dozier (or Winters-other 2014 rookie) in 2015 (with other irons in the fire just in case).  So Asamoah or Dozier would still have 3-4 years on a multi-million deal at that point and I don't think that's something they ever planned to spend.  It was always more likely to be a stop-gap.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @tsjc68 And Dozier was taken as Winters/Colon insurance.


If one of them regresses/starts sucking/keeps sucking/gets hurt, Dozier takes over.


I was expecting/hoping for one starting RG and one upside G of the future play.  My goal was Asamoah and Dozier, and we ended up with Colon and Dozier instead.


Not mad at that.

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 Agree 100%. The Jets were playing Winters this year regardless, it was always about him making a jump in play and the RG spot kind of sorting itself out. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan For the record, though, even with all of Winters's struggles, one of the reasons I'm not mad at our guard offseason is I always fully expected Brian Winters to still be the starting guard come Week 1 of 2014 and all my various suggested moves this winter, from ones that didn't happen (like signing Asamoah or Schwartz) to ones that did (like drafting Dozier) were with RG in mind.


Brian Winters was a high draft pick in 2013; giving him unquestioned first crack at a starting role to open the season seemed like a foregone conclusion.  I never expected the team to acquire TWO starters at guard, just one.  (That one is Colon.)

Brendan
Brendan

@idothis2 Of course. But Winters did spend more time on the ground than any starting OL should. 

a57se
a57se

@idothis2 @Brendan 

Read Bents' BGA's from last season.....Winters spent as much time on the ground as he did blocking anyone.

idothis2
idothis2

@Brendan i dont recall him getting ragdolled so if i'm hopeful the offseason s & c program will shore that up. if it were mental mistakes then i'm less worried since more reps will hopefully correct that

Brendan
Brendan

@idothis2 Um, he certainly improved, but it wasn't on a Geno/Milliner level. 


One thing people gloss over (or ignore) is how much of a drastic improvement Winters can make after a full NFL offseason working out. A lot of his screw-ups were simply getting overpowered after losing his technique, which the weight program should help with. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@williamg1 @tsjc68 Winters looked less lost down the stretch.  I'm not as concerned.  And Colon missing time now isn't that bothersome either, tbh.

idothis2
idothis2

@tsjc68 did winters really improve like geno did at the end of the season?

williamg1
williamg1

@tsjc68 @williamg1 The fact that Brian Winters is our best guard with Colon down concerns the hell out of me. Dozier is a big unknown who is going to need time to adjust to the pro game. But we can afford his adjustment time, because that's going to mean more pressure in Geno's face. And I don't trust Winters at all. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@williamg1 @tsjc68

Not going to bash him over the guard story either.


We signed a good stopgap in Colon and drafted a great G of the future in Dozier.  Those two, plus Winters/Campbell/Aboushi, that's fine enough.

williamg1
williamg1

@tsjc68 @williamg1 Are you kidding me? Of course there is going to be an Idzik bash. Anytime there is a shinny object not taken, fans will complain. That wouldn't be fair to bash him over. 

Now, the guard situation may be a different story. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@williamg1 @tsjc68

I just hope it doesn't become an Idzik bash-fest if we don't get him, because as you and I are both saying, there's perfectly valid and sound reasons for not acquiring him.

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1 Either way, we're sure to see some people flipping out. Can't have a big player move without Jets fans flipping out about it, even when it doesn't involve the team.