Read: The Rick Nash Impact

Rick NashPrior to the lockout when the Rangers were skating together, many were asked the question of how big/what kind of impact Rick Nash will have on the team.

Jeff Halpern told Blueshirts United “I think Rick just gives you that extra element or X Factor that a lot of teams need to get to that next level. Just to put an impact player like Rick into this lineup, which was a great team to begin with, it changes a lot of things for the better.”

Brian Boyle said of Nash “He is a good man and a great guy in the room. His resume speaks for itself and he is a great leader so he is going to fit in here.”

Steve Eminger told the Rangers website “He is going to provide a huge presence to our lineup. He is one of the top wingers in the NHL and I think everyone is pretty excited to have him out there and dominate.”

CLICK HERE for a post on all of Nash’s goals from last season.

At The Hockey News, they remind people that Nash loved playing for Ken Hitchcock, a coach with a similar demanding style to John Tortorella, and that with Marian Gaborik, Ryan Callahan and Brad Richards, Nash “has the supporting cast to star on Broadway.”

During their time together at practice this week, Marian Gaborik told the Rangers website, “I think it was a great addition, Rick has proven himself in the league to be a great power forward and goal scorer. He isn’t going to just add goal scoring, but overall power in our offense. The scoring should be spread out and I think we will have four lines that can play. We have done it last year and I think this year we can be even better.”

Dan Girardi added that Nash brings another dynamic to the Rangers.

Doc Emrick told the NY Post that adding Nash will make the Rangers much more fun to watch.

Ryan Callahan told the Rangers website, “right away he has fit in the room. He meshes well with us. I think what he does on the ice speaks for itself. He is obviously one of the top players in the league. Just to add him to the mix of what we had last year will be a big bonus for us.”





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BDarc23
BDarc23

I'll predict 7 sacks for Richardson, 9 for Mo and 9 for Coples and 0 for Barnes


williamg1
williamg1

I just found out from Cimini that the Marino fake spike was one of the Jets top plays. I guess I have a different definition of 'top plays.'

williamg1
williamg1

Things are getting chippy in the comment section. Training camp cant get here soon enough. 

jsadolph
jsadolph

BTW, The Running of the Bulls has started in Pampalona.  Will Rex mak a showing?

Bent
Bent moderator

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levi
levi

I see a picture of Manziel has surfaced of him rolling up a dollar bill in a bathroom.....Its just a matter of time before this turns very entertaining. Just imagine how bad it would have been had NYJ drafted him like some of you guys wanted. The NY media would be having a blast.

levi
levi

@BDarc23 0 for Barnes? He will have 2 opening day!!!!

tsjc68
tsjc68

@BDarc23

I predict 9 sacks for Richardson, 9 for Mo, and 9 for Coples.


Sincerely,

Herman Cain

tsjc68
tsjc68

@williamg1

No.  I refuse to hear any more of that.  DO NOT DIRECT ME TO A LINK, I WILL NOT READ IT.


I just had a lovely holiday weekend.  I don't need Angryboy Cimini trying to poop in my cereal.

bob
bob

@Bent 


Dats Right.... Bents gonna delete you hiney dats right, than wat you gonna do about dat one . Dats Right.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@Bent We don't allow any outside condiments, jams or syrups in the restaurant and if I catch you in here with that again, I will confiscate it.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se

According to the modern era sample size, Smith has about a 15% chance of breaking through to being a top-20 passer in just one season in the league. 


I'll take those (entirely unscientific, but whatever) odds.  15% is better than 0%, which is what most alternatives to Geno Smith available over the past two seasons would have presented us.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Read some guy speaking emphatically that something will not happen while using "sometimes" as his evidence? 

bradysucks
bradysucks

@levi


You're not really correct. Take a guy like Derek Jeter who has had a great time over his career and enjoyed the NY night life with tons of women over the years.....He did fine with the media in NY. If a guy plays well on the field then the media can't really do a thing......Manziel could do amazing in NY provided he plays well.....and if he plays well in Clevland all of the negative press in the world won't matter....Look at Kobe Bryant who was accused of rape and still has more endorsement money than he knows what to do with....Look  at Tiger Woods who is making more money than EVER....



Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

@levi 

He's a smart kid.  He knows he's not NFL QB material, so he's creating a brand around his party boy image.  I'm sure he'll get a reality show, a line of bottled mixed drinks, and probably some nice sponsorships from beer bong manufacturers.  He'll be the most popular 3rd stringer on the planet.

The anti-Tebow.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@levi Well, at least Manziel will have Josh Gordon around to throw the ball to, amirite?

williamg1
williamg1

@tsjc68 @williamg1 I'm assuming Cimini is thrice married (and divorced) paying alimony and child support. That would explain his worldview. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se I'd rather you respond directly to my comments in your typically grating style than passive-aggressively refer to them to comments directed at others. 

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1 Hopefully he sticks to stuff more his speed, like laying on the beach drinking alcoholic beverages and taking photos with fans. Once was enough for me, I don't want to sweat out whether or not my favorite team's head coach will live through the offseason anymore. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@BDarc23 @Bent

Raspberry!


ONLY ONE MAN WOULD DARE GIVE ME THE RASPBERRY!... LONE STAR.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent Not having a great week this week tbh.


Hopefully I get back into things today.  I have an 80% completed BGA to try and finish.

jaygo
jaygo

@Brendan @a57se Funny, there was a bunch of hoopla last year about that guy JJ.  I can't find it now.  He's a fantasy football guy accused more than once of posting articles shamelessly to sell his book, and his book was about how you only pick late round QBs in the draft.  I think he did win some fantasy football competition which got him some notice.

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks You're kidding yourself if you think today's media will just laugh off the guy bumping lines in the bathroom because he wins a game. 


Womanizing is one thing, drug abuse is another one entirely. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@jaygo @levi

That media is a completely different animal than this media, though.

bob
bob

@tsjc68 @levi 


A celebration to last through out the year. so bring your good friends and your laughter too where gonna celebrate a party with you.. Come on now celebrate.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@williamg1 @tsjc68

I assume Cimini's editors promised him a lifetime supply of mom jeans if he keeps writing the same inflammatory dreck.


Dude's gotta eat.  Gotta eat mom jeans.

williamg1
williamg1

@Brendan @williamg1 I'm confident that if Rex suffers a life threatening injury, a couple beers and a shot of something good, would probably heel him up. Maybe a bong hit or two. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se 

Geno is extolled on this Blog

I don't think anybody thinks Geno is a can't miss player at his position,  but rather people see the possibilities that he can be good enough to play in this league which is as hard to find as an elite QB in the NFL.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

That it refers to actual facts doesn't mean that 15% number was arrived at in scientifically sound and statistically accurate ways.


Nonetheless, the main point stands:  whatever odds you give Geno of "getting it", be they 5%, 15%, 25%, 35%, whatever, they're better odds that we end up with a legit "good" NFL starting QB than pretty much all reasonably available alternatives over the past two years.


Geno was a good prospect last year and remains a good prospect this year, and we got him without having to use a first rounder, and if he pans out, we hit the jackpot; if he doesn't, we move forward with someone else.


All in all, a pretty good gamble.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se How? 


He's saying that Geno won't become a good QB while acknowledging that there are multiple cases of players on his list that became good QBs, one of them arguably became the best in football (Brees). 


There are also plenty of players using that metric who posted good scores who are awful QBs (McGloin, Leinart). 

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Brendan @bradysucks


There is no proof that Manziel was bumping lines.......He is known for making the money sign and is known for $$  related silly gestires.....I like the way he plays football and don't understand how people can be writing him off before he has played a single NFL game.....


and if he is nutty enough to risk his future using drugs then that's his problem......I actually read somewhere that 80 percent of the people in prison have issues that are drug/alcohol related in some form or another even if that is not the crime they were convicted of.....This is staggering

jaygo
jaygo

@levi @jaygo


What goes on in Vegas stays in Vegas to this day (unless you're an 80 year old guy taking the wood to a 20 year old golddigger).   

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

@ganggrncap @Ceifus Hornswoggle 

They just don't make movies like they used to.  Too much CGI these days and not enough CHAR-------------ACTURE.  Man, I love how Mr. Shore suspends the scene tension with his dramatic, mid-syllable pauses.  James Lipton would be proud.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent Part 4 of a project the scope of which keeps growing...

tsjc68
tsjc68

@jaygo @levi

Except that this generation of 20-year olds doesn't believe in "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas".


This generation of 20-year olds go to Vegas, take cell-phone pics of EVERYTHING they do, and then post all the evidence to Instagram that very night and hashtag it all #omgsodrunk #lookatwhatwedid #thisisprobablyafelony

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se I hope you realize no one reads this and agrees, except lunatics like Hank. One-lining a nothing response to posts doesn't prove them wrong, it proves you have nothing to say to them. 


The whole "can't be bothered to explain myself" act doesn't fool anyone. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se No, I'm not. 


I'm not saying Geno WILL be a good QB. I'm saying anyone saying he WON'T is basing that on speculation and little else. 

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

@Brendan @bradysucks 

That's pretty much busted, right there.  There's only one reason to be in a bathroom with a group of friends, rolling a bill into a straw.  So he says he was going to tip the attendant?  With what, a rail?

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Brendan @bradysucks


That photo proves nothing.....


If this were real he'd be getting an NFL suspension......


now I wasn't there but that photo isn't enough to convince me he is using blow

Bent
Bent moderator

@Hanknaples @Bent @a57se You've got me there.  I've been absent from the site for a week, that's what I meant.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Ceifus Hornswoggle @Brendan @bradysucks

Maybe they were packing for their return flight home and didn't want their clothes or bills wrinkled, so they were rolling them up to put in their suitcases and wallets, respectively?

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se No they haven't, they're in the link I just posted. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bradysucks @Brendan

I don't think Levi brought up the picture to say "Johnny Manziel is clearly using cocaine and should be suspended immediately".


More to say "Man, Manziel is in a photo doing drug-related stuff, what a moron this guy continues to be".  That's all.

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples I was referring to Bent's BGA, since it started out as a one/two parter and has seemingly grown considerably since then. 

BDarc23
BDarc23

@a57se @Brendan Are we lining up a tag team championship match with Brendan/tsjc68 vs Hank/a57se?

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se He spent like 700 words telling you all the reasons that Geno is not going to succeed and at the end gives him "some chance" so he doesn't come off as shutting the door on it in the event he's wrong. 


He is not mincing words and he doesn't believe Geno will ever be that player. 

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks You're just getting around to the idea that Manziel is dumb? 

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Brendan @bradysucks


I don't follow Manziel other than when I watch college football.....I don't know anything about him off the field.....I loved the way he played football in college......


I am not going to come out and call a guy I don't know a coke user....


If he is dumb enough to risk his NFL future with this then I don't pity him one bit.....Having said this I know that plenty of guys around the NFL have partied hard and this has been going on for decades

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Yeah, because that's what leads you to fly off the handle, the lack of clarity in my posts. 

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks You don't know anything about him, but you were EMPHATIC pre-draft that he was going to be a star? That makes sense. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @bradysucks

Even if you leave out all the partying/money-sign/off-field nonsense, drafting Manziel with a first rounder based just on his strengths and weaknesses on the field was a horrible idea.


The off-field antics only make it worse.


Johnny Manziel needs to do a whole crap-ton of work to make himself into a legit NFL QB (way more than guys like Geno Smith or EJ Manuel or Teddy Bridgewater or even Blake Bortles), and the fact that he may have maturity issues makes you nervous as to his ability to do that work.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Brendan @bradysucks


I think he is a good QB and I liked him in college a lot....


Now I have no control over whether he does things off the field that jeopardize his chances of NFL success.......Namath wasn't exactly an "angel" - Namath partied like an animal and did it in the 70's when drugs were EVERYWHERE and far more accepted than they are today...


You guys saying Manziel's career is over before it has even started is comical

bklyndude
bklyndude

@tsjc68 @bradysucks @Brendan 

If he doesn't make football a priority,  yeah just like Jamarcus Russell and goodbye career. I doubt Manziel will ever be over 300 pounds like Russell though..

bradysucks
bradysucks

@tsjc68 @Brendan @bradysucks


Well here's an IDEA....


How about we wait until after his rookie season is over before we call him a bust.....His sophmore season is actually going to be a much better indicator of this

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks You didn't wait until he was even drafted to label him a star. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Brendan @bradysucks


Hahaha....


As if you've never loved anybody coming out of college Brendan? Who are you kidding?


Two words.....Mike Evans


Give me a break.....


I still think Manziel can be a star QB based on his talent.....what he does off the field I can't control

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bradysucks @tsjc68 @Brendan

The point of the comparison is you wanting us to be patient with the guy you like while you refuse any patience AT ALL with the guys you don't like.

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks Yes, I said I think Mike Evans can be the next Vincent Jackson, I didn't guarantee it. You don't notice the difference there? 


You're not saying you "think," which is a different tune, but at the time you acted like it was a forgone conclusion he was a star QB. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

@tsjc68 @bradysucks @Brendan


Manziel hasn't even begun his ROOKIE year......He has played zero NFL games at this point...


He also plays a much harder position than Stephen Hill.....


You can't compare them YET

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Brendan @bradysucks


I didn't guarantee it either....


now you're reaching....


I wanted the Jets to draft Manziel.....and still think he can be a star

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks He hasn't begun his rookie year that already has HUGE questions about his character and off-field behavior and yet he's already been photographed in a bathroom rolling up a dollar bill which has one known purpose in the universe: snort powders. 


He's off to a roaring start. 

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks Yes, you most certainly did. You wanted the Jets to TRADE UP for Manziel. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Brendan @bradysucks 

Drafting Johnny Manziel to play in New York just to provide competition for Geno Smith was never a good idea nor did the Jets ever seriously consider it. 

Having a veteran QB for Geno was more of a priority than taking another young QB early in the draft.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Brendan @bradysucks


I never guaranteed anything...


and trading up for a FRANCHISE QB is smart if you hit on the pick......


I would have traded up for Manziel at one point.....but as I said many times I like the Calvin Pryor draft pick......


Don't act like the Jets are set at QB because none of us know and don't act as though Manziel still can't have a GREAT NFL career.....You don't know the future any more than I do

bradysucks
bradysucks

@bklyndude @Brendan @bradysucks


Give me a break.....Geno was terrible as a rookie.....


We have no idea what Geno is at this point.......


If I like a QB and think he can be special then I'll take that QB......I could give a flying F if anybody here agrees with me......


I have watched the QB play for the Jets the past 5 or 6 years and I am not gonna apologize to any of the idiots on this blog - the majority of whom wanted to keep Mark Sanchez instead of trade for Peyton Manning.......


Everybody can have their own opinion....FINE with me..

bklyndude
bklyndude

@bradysucks @bklyndude @Brendan 

And your solution to the QB position was to draft Johnny Manziel instead of building around Geno to find out if he can be the solution.

We are better off with Eric Decker and a few rookie WR's,  Calvin Pryor and Jace Amaro then going the Manziel route in the draft.

Not sure if Johnny Football makes it or not,  just glad we didn't draft him and have to deal with his problems.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@bklyndude @bradysucks @Brendan


Time will tell on Manziel.......


I loved the way the Jets drafted and gave their draft an A grade.......


The only thing I would have done different is I would have traded up for a better  WR such as Landry who was drafted by the Dolphins......It remains to be seen whether using all 12 picks was necessary......


As far as Manziel is concerned I think he is talented and that he can have a great NFL career....


I like Geno also but I'm not convinced Geno is the answer for the Jets......


If some people want to marry Geno this soon then go ahead and marry him......I have watched the QB play for the Jets the past 5 or 6 years and it has been HORRENDOUS

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude @bradysucks 

I think we can all agree if Aaron Rodgers were available we should have drafted him.  But using him as an example when in reality he is the exception. 

Using a high draft pick the year after using a high pick on QB seems a little foolish unless you are ready to give up on Geno,  which the Jets are clearly not doing.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @bklyndude @bradysucks

GB drafted Aaron Rodgers when they had Brett Favre, when Aaron Rodgers, Stud QB Prospect fell into their laps.


They did not trade up for Dicey QB Prospect With Gaudy Numbers Alex Smith, though.  They simply pounced on an unforeseen opportunity.


(Also, Aging Brett Favre isn't very analogous to Developing Geno Smith, but that's a separate matter).


I agree that there's nothing intrinsically wrong with the Jets drafting a QB high even while they have Geno Smith around, and I was pro-Teddy-Bridgewater high.


I just objected to that high QB pick being Johnny Manziel, because he's a less impressive QB prospect than even Geno Smith is/was.  You don't spend pick R1#18 (or worse, trade up from there) to draft a 6'0" scrambling QB with non-elite accuracy, that's a poor gamble.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Seattle fell into a franchise QB after signing a guy they thought would be that player. 


It's equal parts luck and skill to find a franchise QB. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se The Jets held the 26th pick in the 2005 NFL draft. Aaron Rodgers was taken 24th overall.


They could have only gotten him if they traded up. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude 

That was a big mistake and I wouldn't be unhappy if Bradway worked somewhere else. Clearly every team that passed on Aaron Rodger made a mistake.  Every team makes mistakes,  is that the point you are making. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se

Time will tell on my talent evaluation skills.


Johnny Manziel still being available on the board at R1#18 does not make any claim as to my talent evaluation skills.  "Where Player X Gets Drafted" was not what I ever predicted in the board I created and shared with TJB.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se So you're saying you think he's a franchise QB? 


Because otherwise this comment is useless. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @a57se

And the 2004 Jets were 10-6 with a 28 year old, fully healthy, zero-shoulder-surgeries Chad Pennington as our signal caller, coming off a three-year stretch where he had a 93.7 QB rating and a 51/27 TD/INT ratio and already had two playoff wins under his belt.


Trading up for Aaron Rodgers (or any QB in that 2005 draft class) wasn't a likely move.  We already had our presumptive Franchise QB.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Oh, so you're living in fantasyland to criticize the team. Okay then. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Alex Smith was a two-year starter in a small conference that played 2 ranked schools in 2 years. And he was taken first overall. 


Geno Smith was a 3-year starer in a BCS conference who played 8 games against ranked opponents. He also had one season (42/6 TD/int) that rivaled Smith's entire career (47/8). And he was taken in the 2nd round. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

Alex Smith went R1#1.  Geno Smith went R2#39.


Yes, Alex was dicey and Geno was a sound gamble, at those relative pricepoints.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @Brendan

I've always shared the opinion you hold, that Chad probably was never a good enough QB to take us to the Superbowl and win it because of his limitations.


That being said, drafting a QB in the first round of the 2005 draft just was not going to happen (and TRADING UP FOR ONE is even more implausible).  Criticizing the team for not trading up to get Rodgers is just a horrible nitpick and smacks of hindsight bias.


Chad Pennington was an upper-shelf QB, under contract, and was only 28.  We were not going to spend a high pick to displace him or find a backup plan for him.  That's not how any sane team approaches roster building.  That does not happen.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@a57se @tsjc68 I wanted to the Jets to draft Tom Brady and Russell Wilson.... man was I PO'd those days

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @tsjc68

I'm pretty sure that was the draft Heath Miller was sitting there waiting for the Jets to pounce on,  and then we traded with the Raiders and got Jolly and followed it up with Mike Nugent, 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@BDarc23 @bklyndude @a57se @tsjc68

It was at the Javits Center, which was much less TV friendly than Radio City but much more live-attendee-friendly.


We were shouting at Gene Washington from the back row balcony, and he looked up and glared right at us.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

The fact that you think I associate with the NBPP is another example of your racism, not mine.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

To prove your anti-racist bonafides, you link to a satirical website with a disclaimer at the bottom stating:


This database was created entirely from data gleaned off the 'net and via submissions from people like you and your parents. It's supposed to be funny and/or informational. Calm down.


Bang-up job, there, 57.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

Were you playing with me when you accused me of being influenced by the New Black Panther Party?

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

What parts of my rhetoric come from the NBPP manifesto?  Do explain, I'm all ears.