Note: What Henrik Lundqvist Told Rick Nash

Henrik Lundqvist revealed at Blueshirts United that he had Rick Nash over to his apartment a few weeks ago to get to know him better.

Lundqvist said that he was very up front with Nash about his move to the Rangers.

“I told him ‘you deserve this. You deserve to play on a big stage, you are a great player’ I think there is a great opportunity for us and for him to show the hockey world how good he really is. I don’t think he has gotten enough attention to his game. I’m excited he is here and I know he is excited to be here.  



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Mark Phelan
Mark Phelan

Explain it any way you want...the transition from DL to 'edge LB' did not pay dividends.





dabronx
dabronx

That's a Jane response.


Tarzan would be said:


"!@#$ Klecko! Me have bigger balls."

J. Smooth
J. Smooth

What people need to understand is that it doesn't matter if Coples gets 5 sacks or 15 sacks. As long as he is forcing offensive lines to commit a big tackle onto him, and is helping the D-Line as a whole to be disruptive in both the run and pass games, he'll be more than what we need.


Edit: It should be known that he is doing both of those things already.

SackDance99
SackDance99

It's too early to proclaim who will be the key players this season, but Coples is the guy to watch on defense.  If he turns into the "bitch kitty" that we all hope he'll become, this defense will start to look a lot like the Bears' defense circa 1985.  If he and Mo combine for 25 or more sacks, the NFL is in for big trouble because some QBs are going to be knocked out.

williamg1
williamg1

Those TEs better chip our OLBers (Coples, Barnes and Pace) or else they're going to make them pay. Better leave a back in to block, too, because the D Lineman are coming to destroy the QB. Whatever receivers you send out into routes will be blanketed by our CBs. And, if a ball manages to make it to the receivers hands, our new safety is going to dislodge it with a crushing hit. This defense is going to be sick. 



Bent
Bent moderator

@Mark Phelan  


He generated pressure over the second half of the season at a rate higher than at any point in his career as a pass rusher and the team was the #1 defense against the rush virtually all season.  They also won two more games.  I'd call it a resounding success.

Brendan
Brendan

@dabronx  And then get thrown in Idzik's dungeon until training camp. 

bharper42
bharper42

@J. Smooth  i don't know man you're an OLB in a 3-4 you have to do that in addition to creating havoc in the backfield, on the edge, or dropping back.


Why draft him and play him out of position and then complain about his production.  Another rex headscratcher for me.


I want to see him coming off the edge and in the backfield with a tackle and even a rb on him.  time to produce.

Bernie Lyons
Bernie Lyons

@J. Smooth  Good point but we drafted this guy in the first round.  Lots of 4th round guys out there can tie up a Tackle.  We expect more

SackDance99
SackDance99

@J. Smooth I disagree.  Coples needs to be able to generate consistent pass rush pressure and get to the QB when the Jets rush 4.  If he does that, it makes Rex's entire blitz/coverage package exceedingly dangerous.  If the other team doesn't think Coples is a threat, they won't commit to stopping him and teams usually double team or otherwise account for an elite pass rusher.

gjet93
gjet93

@SackDance99  easy. I love them but Bears '85 is a bit of hyperbole, just now.


BDarc23
BDarc23

@williamg1  I am going to predict that Kyle Wilson is going to have a career year.  I will also predict that half this blog will continue to call him a bust.

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. You are wrong



Coples was not a liability in the run game last year, at all. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Tell us more about Vernon Gholston. 

__fense
__fense

@SackDance99 @J. Smooth  If they don't commit to stopping him, then he wouldn't be doing what J Smooth says he has to do. 


Numbers don't mean anything compared to effect. If teams commit to stopping him and succeed, he's successful, and if if teams don't commit to stopping him and he gets sacks and stuff, he's also successful. He doesn't need to be so good that he can consistently beat a double team, he just needs to be good enough that he can beat anything less than a double team. 

J. Smooth
J. Smooth

@SackDance99 @J. Smooth  I 100% agree. I just think the idea that Coples needs to get 12 sacks or he's a bust is ignoring the fact that he can, and has been, contributing in other ways.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@SackDance99 @J. Smooth  I figure that if the Jets rush 4, the offense needs to double team Mo, or Damien, or Richardson, or Coples (adjust for whoever are the actual 4).  That means one of the rest of those 4 needs to be able to beat their single team blocker.  If Coples can do that consistently, good things will happen. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@BDarc23 @williamg1  I like your prediction, and I hope it doesn't come true, because I want Dex McDougle to take Wilson's job down the stretch.

Brendan
Brendan

@BDarc23 Kind of like how lots of fans brought up how he "got flagged every game" when all his penalties came in one game, not only that...they came on one drive. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples YOU CAN'T LOSE CONTAIN ON A RUN UP THE GUT. THERE IS NOTHING TO CONTAIN. THE ONLY PERSON WHO LOSES CONTAIN IS THE MAN/MEN IN THE MIDDLE. 


You're not this stupid, at least I hope not. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Hanknaples @Bent  I didn't mention Harrison...not once.  Coples and Wilkerson kept contain on the play.  You have just demonstrated that you don't know what keeping contain means.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Hanknaples  Weren't we talking about Coples anyway, not Wilkerson?

Bent
Bent moderator

@Hanknaples  You are crediting Harrison for plays that Sheldon Richardson made despite the fact Harrison wasn't even on the field.  Okay...

Bent
Bent moderator

@Hanknaples  He lost contain on a run up the middle.  Okay...

Bent
Bent moderator

@Hanknaples @Brendan  Against the Raiders?  They ran for a 63-yard touchdown right up the middle.  Otherwise, the backs carried 20 times for 63 yards.  

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Coples plays the edge, so he is the one that contains the run. 


Those three guys you just listed are tasked with blowing up blocks and causing havoc on the interior, Coples has to set the edge and contain....which he's very good at. 


And are you seriously using two random examples as proof he can't set the edge ever? That's logical.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Hanknaples  How can someone who plays 80% of the snaps be a liability in the running game, when the run defense is the best in the NFL for most of the season with him in there?

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples  Hahahaha. 


Step 1: Take snaps away from the reigning DROY

Step 2: Move Coples' position (again) away from his current spot (which is a 4-3 DE position)

Step 3: Say INSANE things like "Muhammad Wilkerson can't destroy an offensive line by himself," (he gets triple teamed constantly and tosses them around like bags of sand)

Step 4: "Change" his position to 4-3 DE, which is the position he is currently playing. 

Step 5: Ignore reining DROY Sheldon Richardson entirely in favor of a guy who wasn't as good as him last year (Harrison) and a guy who is perfectly suited for the edge (Coples). 


Step 6: You're a nutbar. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Okay, so which player is replacing? DROY Sheldon Richardson or All-Pro Muhammad Wilkerson? 


This plan is still stellar, Fonzie. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples  Yes, they're better off letting their athletic mountain of a DE gain weight so he loses his explosiveness and is easier to block. Stellar plan. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@SackDance99 @J. Smooth @__fense  "Ellis subs in for Harrison for the pass rush and does a great job."


This isn't really true.  Ellis just rotates in for Harrison on running downs and sometimes goes in there alongside him.  On passing downs, Wilkerson is generally the NT.


Obviously both Ellis and Harrison get to rush when the opponent throws the ball on first or second down and I agree that Ellis does a good job there (but so does Harrison).

SackDance99
SackDance99

@J. Smooth @SackDance99@__fenseEllis subs in for Harrison for the pass rush and does a great job.  The threat of the blitz is a huge problem for an offense.  It's not that Rex has to blitz, it's just that blitzing is part of his defensive philosophy, like Dick LeBeau's.  The '85 Bears had 12 different players get sacks, as did Buddy's '90 Eagles...that messes with an OC's mind.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Joe/Orlando I agree and defenses really commit to you when you start sacking the QB regularly.  If I'm a DC, I'm still worrying about Mo more than anyone else on the front 7.  If they have to worry about Mo and QC, then what they can do in the passing game gets self-limited.

Joe/Orlando
Joe/Orlando

@__fense @SackDance99 @J. Smooth  It depends on expectations, I think. If Coples can be stopped when teams commit to doing that, then he's a player doing his job and there's nothing wrong with that. But if the expectation is for Coples to be an elite pass rusher, then he needs to make teams fail to stop him even when they commit to stopping him. I think he can be capable of the latter.

J. Smooth
J. Smooth

@SackDance99 @__fense @J. Smooth  Hopefully the likes of Barnes, Richardson, Harrison, Wilkerson, and Coples will generate enough push as is that blitzing is a luxury, not a necessity.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Disgruntled Jets Fan @SackDance99@J. SmoothIf you have to commit to the weak side edge, with a RB or OL fanning out, then Rex can work his magic on the strong side and with blitzes on the inside.  When you worry about the inside guys, you keep that extra blocker inside and its easier to clog the middle.  From a defensive standpoint, and against a guy like Brady, you want those blitz lanes to open up inside.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@tsjc68  I would have to think McDougle taking that spot this year is a stretch but that would be good too.

__fense
__fense

@Brendan @__fense  Yup. Scott Green and Larry Rose (who is a side judge, not a linesman, but still the guy who threw all those flags) both won't be officials anymore. the official word is that they are 'retiring', in the same way that Shotty 'got promoted' to OC in St. Lois 

__fense
__fense

@Brendan @BDarc23  Also both the head ref of that game and the linesman that threw all those flags (who wasn't even on the same side of the field as Wilson) have been fired.

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

@Brendan @BDarc23  

"Not unless the install a set of hands on the back of his helmet. "


Maybe add a pair of eyes while you're at it - he seems to have a big issue getting his head turned around.


Edit - do still like him in the slot though

BDarc23
BDarc23

@Bent @BDarc23 @Brendan  That is true but it also depends on the value someone puts on a turnover vs a pass breakup or things like passer rating against a CB.  It isn't much different than the Coples is elite as a pass rusher despite not actually getting the sack discussion.

Bent
Bent moderator

@BDarc23 @Brendan  


...and he could, in theory, achieve that and play WORSE.


Ty Law springs to mind.

Brendan
Brendan

@BDarc23 Not unless the install a set of hands on the back of his helmet. 

BDarc23
BDarc23

@Brendan @BDarc23  The only way people will not view him as a bust will be if he has non PFF type stats like 7 Ints... which i do think is possible with the potential of the pass rush.