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Bigfoo7
Bigfoo7

So two weeks ago the big story was look out the ax is coming for all the coaches. Now the big buzz is no one is going anywhere. Both stories created by the same thing, no churn.

When will someone write and promote a decent story about this team?

Here is a suggestion. Lee apparently was showing some emotion towards his QB after the last game. There is some actual content there and it can be confirmed or denied.

Sheesh

bklyndude
bklyndude

Every team is looking for the next Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers.  Unfortunately they are hard to come by.  All other QB's are judged by this standard of excellence making it virtually impossible for fan bases to accept lesser talented guys.  Which of course leads to instability in each organization's front office and coaching staffs.

People are down on Andy Dalton after another brutal playoff performance.  People are down on Eli Manning after a bad year.  Last year people were down on Philip Rivers.

I doubt if Geno Smith or EJ Manuel or any of the young QB's in this year's draft become immortals or not,  but people should show more patience with these guys who are not as consistent as the great ones.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@jake100 


over 90% want Geno and a viable vet to battle it out and don't want the Jets to spend their 1st pick in the draft on a QB.   I am not surprised by that.    


and 100% want the best QB available and don't care HOW or WHERE the Jets get him from or his age

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 Yes, and your 11-vote sample size is certainly a realistic cross-section of Jets fans. 

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude 

Yeah, we should give Geno three more years before we make a decision on him. Let's not bother to draft any other QB talent, we'll put all our eggs in geno's basket so we make sure we give him a fair shot!

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 Glad we can fit the role of mice running through the maze of Jet information out there for you. 

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

@bradysucks


lol well your point is sound, your facts are a bit lacking.


Favre wasn't drafted by the packers which I'm pretty much sure about, though I think t was the Flacons that did(he was very close to being a Jet FYI, as the jets where going to take him the very next pic), Flacons was gave up on Favre early.


Also, Steve Young was not drafted by the 9ers, I'm pretty sure Tampa Bay, drafted him first, and he played a bit for them too.  Tampa Bay gave up on him to quick


Also, While Brees was drafted by the Chargers, they DEF gave up to quick on him. And Brees has a super bowl, while RIvers lost in the playoffs to Mark Sanchez.


So, half the moral of your story should be, don't give up on a player to quick.

bradysucks
bradysucks

It is easy locating a franchise QB if you have a front office that is competent. The Chargers drafted both Brees and Rivers (and Fouts). The Packers drafted Favre & Rodgers. The 49ers drafted Montana, Young, Smith, & Kaepernick. The Giants drafted Eli & Smimms. The Steelers drafted Big Ben & Bradshaw....I could go on

The Jets drafted Sanchez, Clemens, & Ainge.....Tannenbaum - nice job goofy

Brendan
Brendan

@bklyndude But where's the fun in that!?


I'm with you on this, btw. I'm just done fighting this fight everyday. 

harold
harold

Have you all watched Vick the last three years he has been very poor player. If he is a backup O may think about. But he is no starter anymore.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@bradysucks I think everybody likes competition, but the point is would you draft a QB in the first round this year,  or would you draft a playmaker in the first round to help Geno. Which would be better for the Jets.

If you draft somebody later in the draft, they probably are not competing with Geno for the starting spot next year. You would be "hoping" they could win the job eventually.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@a57se @Bytor @levi 


Yes.....this is well said by you 57


ya keep drafting QB's until you find a legit top 15 passer in the league....preferably top 10


There should be tremendous competition at QB until somebody separates from the pack and establishes themselves as a QB you can win a superbowl with (even if your defense is having an off day)

a57se
a57se

@Bytor@a57se 

No more then that to me........that Cap room we'll have goes away real fast.

Bytor
Bytor

@a57se @Bytor His cap number was a bit over 3.5. Do you pay him somewhere between 3-4 mil? 

a57se
a57se

@Bytor I think Shaun hill might be the best of the rest....

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude@a57se 

CBS just updated their QB rankings and they give 1st round grades to 4 guys.

Bridgewater, Manziel, Bortles and Carr.

They have Brett Smith at 5 (2nd round grade) and David Fales at 6, Mettenberger 7th with 2-3 round grades.

The biggest surprise is they dropped Boyd down to 10th! and a 3-4 round grade. Murray is right after Boyd!

 

Bytor
Bytor

@Brendan @Bytor Ok, so let's say he's overpaid and the org doesn't want to deal with Vick, who's the veteran at a reasonable price you'd bring in?

Bytor
Bytor

@karlhungus @a57se @bklyndude Agree on this 100%. I'm ok with our safeties and we need a cb (Cro or his replacement) in FA. Draft a LB with one of our 3rd's.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude Maybe.....maybe not,  it could be debated I suppose..

You have Geno Smith with one year of experience under his belt in the NFL.  All of these rookies will probably experience growing pains their first year and still be in the same tier as Geno,  which is not a clear upgrade.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bytor It's his last shot at a payday, he's going to go for it. Someone will overpay him as a backup, my hope is that it isn't the Jets. 

Bytor
Bytor

@Brendan @Bytor 35 yrs old is why he might not get big $'s. Good for WCO. Might give a push without realistically thinking he's long term. You may be right though, some team will overpay. The other vet options stink though.

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude

I think Geno would be the 6th or 7th ranked QB in this class..........

karlhungus
karlhungus

@a57se@bklyndude I would take Mettenburger or Murray in the 4th round or later if they fell to us...


First 3 rounds this year must be Offensive skill position players IMO....if the best one is a QB, then so be it, but I would rather see WR/TE/RB players in rounds 1-3 than a QB unless Bridgewater miraculously fell to 18.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude I don't see any of the QB's in this draft as being an upgrade over Geno Smith.  I think like Geno they all have potential which needs to be developed to reach their potential.  I don't think I would draft somebody to compete with Simms either.  I think if Simms is the teams number three QB,  that's fine.  I wouldn't be against drafting somebody like you mentioned to be the three though.

We need a vet to be the teams number two who can actually be active on game day and if brought into the game actually give the team a chance to win the game.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@a57se @DarrolRayFanClub For my part I am assuming Vick is a low money deal..the press is tough but look at Tebow and the Patriots....press can be shut down if you want

Brendan
Brendan

@Bytor No to McCown. Dude is going to be 35 in July and will get overpaid by some team. 

levi
levi

@BDarc23 Sanchez was never really much good. Hes always had a ton of turnovers. He did play ok in the playoffs but he didnt get them there. (yes, he did contribute)

a57se
a57se

@DarrolRayFanClub 

I don't think Vick is worth bringing in either for the money or the press.

Mettenberger would be an interesting project but would not supply any competition this season because of his ACL injury situation plus the guy was caught on CAMERA eating his own boogers.....GROSS!

a57se
a57se

@BDarc23

I agree with you Bdarc but there were some folks who were NOT on the Sanchez bandwagon then but not most.

a57se
a57se

@Bytor

Re-read Vernon Gholstons' scouting report, he was the next terrell Suggs.....

BDarc23
BDarc23

@Brendan @levi I'm not trying to start a whole Sanchez thread but this seems unfair. The Jets went to 2 AFC championships with the "wrong guy" and I think they were 8-5 in his 3rd year.  When were they supposed to yank him? I think they had to give him that 4th year.

Bytor
Bytor

@Brendan @Bytor True. Try re-reading Marky's scouting reports. It's like reading about a different player. No wonder we traded up and thought he was finally "it". 

levi
levi

@a57se Id sell the farm for Bridewater. haha But I admit Im sooo sick of crappy QB play that Im desperate.

Bytor
Bytor

@a57se @bklyndude 4th, maybe. 5th, sure. I trust you guys for the analysis and where they should be drafted. Don't have time for college ball.

a57se
a57se

@levi@a57se 

Me? I am not sold on Bridgewater and I really can't say who is second in this class.

Projecting college guys to the NFL is not easy but I really like what I've seen of Fales now for over a year so I would love to bring him in and see what he can do compared to Geno and Simms.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bytor The Sanchez extension is inexcusable any way you slice it, but the selection itself isn't like that. 

Bytor
Bytor

@a57se @Bytor @levi Sometimes timing and circumstances conspire against us. 20/20 hindsight says we shoulda punted on Mark and not extended but options were limited at that point. Last year's qb class was what it was. Watching Rogers and Luck work made me sad. They're masterful.

levi
levi

@a57se lets say one of the top two QBs slip a bit. How much would you be willing to give up? I know its extremely vague....

levi
levi

@a57se Of course. Im not Idzik Im just giving my opinion. Its not my fault that it so happens to be the right one. 

levi
levi

@a57se I thought we were all having a pretty level headed discussion.

a57se
a57se

@levi

it would depend on how you have evaluated these guys and what value you put on them.....

levi
levi

@a57se Personally Id pass on Jonny, its to risky. Fales or Murray I would take. I dont know much about the others.

a57se
a57se

@levi

No one is being ridiculous like Brendan is trying to portray, we just disagree on how to go about finding what we all want.

levi
levi

@bklyndude I agree, you dont just draft a QB to draft a QB(although thats probably what happened with Geno) you take "your" guy.

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude 

HYPOTHETICAL:

Johnny Football falls to no. 18....would you take him?

Tahj Boyd is  available at no. 49....would you take him?

Would you spend our 4th round comp pick on a Fales/Mettenberger/Murray gamble?

How about our 5th?


levi
levi

@Brendan I agree with you on Sanchez. I was talking more about the last 20 years or so that we have had poor QB play and just cant seem to get a top QB.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @Bytor @levi Like I said earlier,  I am not against competition.  But finding somebody later in the draft to beat out Geno is probably not going to happen.  And drafting somebody in the first or second round is probably not the best use of resources unless there is such a strong belief in somebody,  and even then there aren't any guarantees.

I just think working with Geno in his second year and seeing how much further he can develop would be a better way to go and draft some damn playmakers.

Bytor
Bytor

@levi @Bytor I'm on board. Strategically take a development guy every so often to see what you got. If it means we lose Simms, so be it. And two years later we lose <insert guy>, so be it. If Geno's not the guy, get your next guy. Easier to do now that it doesn't cost so much.

Brendan
Brendan

@levi That's not true, their method is good, they just had the wrong guy and took too long to yank him out of the lineup (Sanchez). But they showed patience, which is necessary. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Bytor Haha I just couldn't believe he kept going. I was doing it purely to be a wiseass, but he just kept feeding into it. 

levi
levi

@Brendan Well whatever theyve been doing is a pretty good recipe for failure too so I say switch it up!

Bytor
Bytor

@Brendan @Bytor And a blocking tight end and fullback. Btw, kudos to your "conversation" with mini-H the other day. Returning from my sunshine state vacation to that piece of epic literature was gut busting.

Brendan
Brendan

@levi And that's fine, if Geno stinks this year, you move on (and hopefully you don't wait the full season). But the "draft, start, rinse, repeat" methodology is a recipe for failure. 

levi
levi

@Bytor I get your point but the QB is the most important guy on the field so you do whatever it takes to get the right one. FWIW Geno "grew" on me because he steadily improved. So take a flier on a later round this year maybe but if Geno doesnt continue to improve next year draft one early.

a57se
a57se

@Bytor@levi 

No one said anything about high picks.....

Romo was an UDFA, Brady a 6th rounder, Drew Brees was a 2nd round pick, Wilson a 3rd......

No one is saying throw in the towel on Geno either......just that the way we went after drafting Sanchez didn't help any........we drafted 1 QB in the four years Sanchez was 'the man'.........there were other opportunities...


Bytor
Bytor

@Brendan @Bytor Ok, just don't mess with our picking a kicker strategy in round 2!

Brendan
Brendan

@Bytor Quiet, you. 1st round QB's until you land a HOFer! No exceptions!

Bytor
Bytor

@levi You just can't keep drafting them with high picks though. You want to take a flier on a developmental qb in rounds 5-udfa every year, fine. Top three rounds have to be for guys that are going to play almost immediately.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude I thought everybody was down on Tony Romo for not being able to win the big one,  same with Phillip Rivers.

While I like Russell Wilson,  he is in an ideal situation with a great defense and running game.  He still needs to win something before he is crowned a great one though,  doesn't he.

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude 

How do teams find QB's who don't have no. 1 picks? They draft them and keep drafting them with the intention of developing them and hoping for the best. that's how Dallas found Romo, NE found Brady, Seattle found Wilson, SD found Rivers..........

levi
levi

@bklyndude Keep drafting until we find "the one". Thats my opinion.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se Unless you have the number one pick often enough, or the ammunition to trade up the year there is one,  you have to develop somebody whose not one of the elite types.

The only guy I was really upset that we missed out on was Dan Marino.........ouch.

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude 

No it is not easy finding an elite QB, i think we all pretty much get that since the Jets haven't had one in 40 years.

You don't find them serially unless you are Indiannapolis or Green bay.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude You make it sound so easy to find an elite QB.  Sometimes teams draft a guy with the hope of developing and coaching him up as much as possible.

Medicore is better than having a bad QB,  and it's not what every team hopes for.

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude

Yeah, every GM who drafts a QB thinks the guy will end up being mediocre.........we should do the same.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@levi @bklyndude So is the answer to draft another mediocre guy in this year's draft who needs to be coached up.  Hope Matt Simms develops into a great one.

I think we are always looking for the next great one,  but sometimes you have to choose somebody and give him a chance.

levi
levi

@bklyndude Who knows? We dont even know how good Geno will be yet.

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude

I don't think we should put all our eggs in one basket. I'd draft a QB this year to compete, bring Simms back to compete and bring in a vet to compete if we can get one for a reasonable price.